I primarily know cover artist Sara Pitre-Durocher from her work on Transformers comics. Some people who specialize in drawing giant robots are actually surprisingly bad at drawing human beings. Good to see that she doesn't have that issue.
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Jason Statham as Picard?
So, it appears Picard was just directly to four-star Admiral? I guess that's not unusual, so was Pike in the Kelvin timeline, and Janeway was promoted directly to Vice Admiral (three stars). Still grates me a bit.
That’s Kurtzman for you.
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Was it officially announced that he was a four-star Admiral?
I don't recall that we've ever seen the exact Navy hierarchy in Trek. Has there ever been mention of a Rear Admiral? Is there evidence Janeway was a Vice Admiral? It seems everyone above Captain is just an Admiral, although some Admirals are more "Admirable" (?) than others (e.g. Nogura, Morrow, etc...).
Since the rank for Captain had four pips in TNG, maybe the rank for admiral has the additional box around the pips?
PS: I noticed that when you type Admiral enough, it begins to look wrong...
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Admiral rank is 1 through 5 pips with a box. We've never seen 1 or 5 just 2, 3 and 4 pip admirals.
What about the season one TNG admirals?
I'm still confused as to why he is Admiral Picard. I really hope that that's talked about in the comic, since last we saw Picard, he was holding true to Kirk's 'don't let them promote you' line.
Then again, looking at the movies, there really wasn't anything about that, was there? I keep having TrekLit Picard in my mind.....
Then again, looking at the movies, there really wasn't anything about that, was there? I keep having TrekLit Picard in my mind.....
I speculate that it may have something to do with ensuring he had the authority needed to undertake the mission he did.
Well, you can't prove a negative. All we really know is that Picard was still a captain as of Nemesis. That doesn't mean he was refusing to be promoted, just that he may not have been offered a promotion yet. Just because Kirk gave Picard a bit of advice in their one brief meeting doesn't require Picard to follow it.
Fair point. I mean, in our head we enjoy the idea that Picard would be followed by everyone matter what, it doesn't work like that in the real world. I love how Riker simply got promoted to admiral by Akaar because he was told the rank was needed for what he had to do.
Yes, true. That's why I said I had TrekLit Picard in my head who, in the novels, actually literally quoted that line from Kirk to Akaar to refuse promotion. The Picard in the new show isn't that Picard, if you know what I mean.
He has four boxed pips on his collar, which makes him a four-star Admiral.
Rear Admiral Bennett on DS9 Doctor Bashir I Presume, and yes, he is addressed as Rear Admiral in dialogue, though they screwed up and gave him a four star insignia, Rear Admiral is only a two star. Also, Norah Satie signed the orders placing Picard in command of the Enterprise as "Rear Admiral Norah Satie" according to AGT.
Janeway wore three boxed pips in Nemesis. Since three boxed pips were also worn by Admirals Nechayev and Ross, both of whom were addressed in dialogue as "Vice Admiral" (Nechayev twice in Chain of Command, Ross in Dogs of War) that proves that three boxed pips means Vice Admiral.
As mentioned above, the admiral grades in the 24th century are represented by how many boxed pips the admirals have on their collars.
Although that's true of the 24th century (unless you count the above mentioned admirals in season 1 of TNG), on Enterprise we did see one-star Commodore Forrest in First Flight, while I suspect Admiral Marcus in STID was meant to be a five-star, given the five pins on his shoulder epaulets as opposed to the four on Pike's.
According to the plaques at the Picard museum exhibit, he was promoted and given a special assignment by Starfleet.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Brand
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Erik_Pressman
Note the 2 boxed pips on each side
I'm sure whoever is head of Starfleet must be a 5-star fleet admiral, since it's the highest rank.
That and some of the dialogue in the second trailer makes me think they're gonna tie Picard in with Section 31
If he didn't want to be an Admiral, just give him a 5th Pip and call him 'Senior Captain'
However I do find it odd that he does go to 4-star Admiral, unless for some reason it is a Temporary Promotion as a response to an impending doom level threat, that they knew he had experience with or something catastrophic happens to some of the Senior Admiralty. Could be a dead man's boots situation.
Very interested to find out more of Starfleet in this timeframe! Show me some uniforms and ships please!
However I do find it odd that he does go to 4-star Admiral, unless for some reason it is a Temporary Promotion as a response to an impending doom level threat, that they knew he had experience with or something catastrophic happens to some of the Senior Admiralty. Could be a dead man's boots situation.
Very interested to find out more of Starfleet in this timeframe! Show me some uniforms and ships please!
Or, more likely, it's just the latest example of Star Trek not thinking through the flag ranks at all. In addition to the above examples of Janeway and Kelvin Pike, we have even as far back as TMP we had Kirk promoted directly from Captain to Admiral in an era where Commodore still existed, likewise TATV implied Archer was up for a promotion from Captain to Admiral, bypassing Commodore completely (which, IIRC is what they went with in the novels) or as recently as Beyond where Kelvin Kirk applied for a promotion from Captain to Vice Admiral, and would have gotten it if it weren't for his last minute decision to back out. Indeed, even in the novels, Riker was promoted directly from Captain to two-star Rear Admiral.
I find that very unlikelyThat and some of the dialogue in the second trailer makes me think they're gonna tie Picard in with Section 31
To be fair, the only mention of a commodore in the movie era was in barely discernible comm chatter in TMP, which wasn't even scripted and was probably just cooked up in a hurry when they were looping dialogue in post-production. So the people responsible for the writing decision to make Kirk an admiral would've had no idea that there would be a passing mention of a commodore in fill-in dialogue written much later in the process.
The novel Allegiance in Exile actually addresses this subject, with Bob Wesley informing Kirk near the end of the 5YM that the reason Starfleet is considering "jumping" him up two ranks to Rear Admiral and skipping the rank of Commodore entirely (which is never, ever usually done, Wesley says) is to keep Kirk "close to home" and out of a captain's chair, given his more-unorthodox command style.
