You could see those cannons in the previous trailer too
No they didn’t. And it was Lucas’s idea to have a female lead.
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Episode IX Speculation and Discussion
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I watched it once, how is that obsessed? I'm not even going to see it, it looks as bad as the last few.
Except for all the Star Destroyers, Tie Fighters, Kylo, etc...
Full trailer looked great but there isn't anything there that functions to let us know what the narrative is beyond that 'it is ending'. It ran more like a teaser, stretched out to be 2:30. I hope we've got more trailers incoming that inform the main plot a bit more.
I took a screenshot.. she is holding an old dagger at the end.. which makes me believe that the leaks are true as the dagger was a pivotal macguffin in the leaks
It also lost the audience. When the person running the show wears shirts that say "the Force is female," and Rey is more powerful than Yoda with no training, you know there's an issue. I'm just pointing it out, and I don't think I'm the only one to notice it. When it becomes more important than story, there's an issue. Rey is a Mary Sue.
I guess the problem is that the characters facing him are not that good, so I may find myself rooting for Palpatine unless they do something badass like in the original draft of Return of the Jedi, where Force ghosts helped Luke out a bit. Kind of a cool draft if you want to do some research.
The brief shot of Lando looked fine. But the way this trilogy has gone, I expect him to die.
It's an agenda, and even worse, when people point out the flaws in this strategy, you get people getting on their high horse calling out sexism, when the entire concept of forcing a female as the perfect unstoppable character is sexist by itself.
I think the character was more likeable, and it wasn't such an obvious agenda, it would have worked better. And let's not forget, Star Wars had a female lead in the ORIGINAL trilogy. Carrie Fisher was as important as anyone, and she was pretty bad ass in 1977.
I really WISH they would have brought Ashoka into the mix. She's an awesome female Jedi. But instead we get Rey, who exists to show women being better than men, no matter who they are, and we get Rose, who is just annoying and served no purpose. I feel bad for the actress that played her, though it will be interesting to see if Abrams listens to the feedback or doubles down and makes Rose just as important if not more so.
I am confident about one thing--Rose will not die. They only kill characters people like.
Repeatedly misusing a word is not going to change its definition, and Rey is not a "perfect author insert" no matter how many times the term "Mary Sue" keeps getting thrown at her like a slur.
You hate the first two, yet you have to watch the new trailer and write a stupid diatribe about it. Go away troll boy.
I wish I could send private messages.
Let's see--in Episode 7, with no training, she beat Kylo, who was a Skywalker. In Episode 8, Luke said he was afraid of her.
It took Rey to get Luke out of his funk. Rey solves all.
It's not a slur. It's a statement of observation based on the direction they have chosen.
Rey is not a Mary Sue. Period.
This is not going to change no matter how many times you throw that term at her.
but she is a mary sue, and not acknowledging that is a problem.
Shit like this is counterproductive to fixing the issue at the core of this term Mary Sue: the result of lazy writing. And I don’t mean characters like Rey, (who is great and is only called one as a result of butt-hurt) I mean characters who have no flaws outside of the kind that are endearing and are perfect, wish fulfilling characters. The same goes for male counterparts. Lazy writing is always going to exist, but to say it’s not a thing because you disagree with the term is only hurting content overall. It’s absolutely an overused as often incorrectly used term, but that’s about it. Mary Sues usually happen when the background of the character was lazily written so events in her (or his) background will allow her to solve immediate problems without effort or because she is special. If she and her friends come up against a language barrier, she will have it in her background that she knows how to speak. She always has a hair pin to break out of prison, etc.. but the use of Mary Sue extends beyond these conveniences (however justified they may be by her background) to how the audience thinks of the character.. if they feel that too many of these things stack up one after the other and the character always gets out of situations and is above reproach and is always special, then the audience will find themselves not becoming invested into whether the character WILL succeed because they know they will. Rey knows systems on STarkiller base and was able to take out the right fuse (in a shot cleverly echoing her taking a conduit out of the wreck at the beginning of the film. ). She can speak droid. She can speak wookie. She REMINDS characters that she can speak droid when they can't. She REMINDS characters that she can speak wookie when they can't or even when they can (Why did she need to translate Chewie for Luke). She can fly a ship that has not flown in years and pull maneuvers unlike anyone else. She knows the ship BETTER than the previous owner (that the audience knows) and can remove tech device to get it to work. She can perform a mind trick despite never have seen one be performed. She beat an experienced swordsman the first time she ignited a lightsaber (regardless of whether she was injured, the audience by the point in the film kind of doesn't feel any real gander because of all the other things she's been able to do. Further, his being injured should have made him more dangerous, particularly with his ability to channel the Dark side). So in my opinion, whether someone is a Mary Sue is all
about how an audience perceives their abilities stacking up, over the course of the film, and whether this makes the suspense lesser or greater
she is Rey's mom.. promise you
When I saw the trailer I felt a tiny bit of something, more than I thought I would feel for the sequel trilogy characters. Some of the music and the words spoken, the nods to the past, but still I didn't feel 'it', like the Obi-Wan nostalgia trailer for ROTS, or the ROTS epic trailer that got the premiere on Fox back in 2005. I felt that the music was good, some of the lines, from Palpatine and Threepio were also great, but it felt wrong, because them saying those lines while showing the new heroes seemed like a mismatch and unearned.
I thought the scene of the new heroes in the Millennium Falcon, with Rey in the pilot's seat was nice, and I wish we had gotten more scenes like that throughout the sequel trilogy. It feels too late to cram it in now, and expect us to feel something, to care about these characters and this struggle, simply because it's "Star Wars" and the music and ships and so much are the same, but the characters aren't. The lines spoken by Palpatine and Threepio would've worked if it was the original heroes there, or maybe even the prequel heroes, but we haven't seen the sequel heroes grow much together, become a team, a family. I'll give Force Awakens a pass here, but Last Jedi made a terrible mistake by not having the new heroes go on an adventure together. When Dameron gets more screen time in a cartoon you know there's a problem.
The sequel wasted a very good group of actors IMO. I think they will give it their all. And the production values look very good so it will be another good looking film. All the sequel films have looked good, with The Last Jedi so far being the standout-one of the few complimentary things I can say about that movie. But overall, the trailer reminded me of the emptiness at heart of the sequel trilogy. I will see this film, but more so out of curiosity than excitement or wonder, unlike all the original films or the sequels.
I thought the scene of the new heroes in the Millennium Falcon, with Rey in the pilot's seat was nice, and I wish we had gotten more scenes like that throughout the sequel trilogy. It feels too late to cram it in now, and expect us to feel something, to care about these characters and this struggle, simply because it's "Star Wars" and the music and ships and so much are the same, but the characters aren't. The lines spoken by Palpatine and Threepio would've worked if it was the original heroes there, or maybe even the prequel heroes, but we haven't seen the sequel heroes grow much together, become a team, a family. I'll give Force Awakens a pass here, but Last Jedi made a terrible mistake by not having the new heroes go on an adventure together. When Dameron gets more screen time in a cartoon you know there's a problem.
The sequel wasted a very good group of actors IMO. I think they will give it their all. And the production values look very good so it will be another good looking film. All the sequel films have looked good, with The Last Jedi so far being the standout-one of the few complimentary things I can say about that movie. But overall, the trailer reminded me of the emptiness at heart of the sequel trilogy. I will see this film, but more so out of curiosity than excitement or wonder, unlike all the original films or the sequels.
*yawn* Not this again.
For an author insert, see Luke. Aka Luke S. Sounds like "Lucas."
For an author insert, see Luke. Aka Luke S. Sounds like "Lucas."
luke was not a mary sue, rey was. Luke was a pulpy sci fi hero archetype.. Rey is an agenda on screen
