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Spoilers Batwoman - Season 1

Noname Given said:
Well the state of the office in general is also a continuity error because by this point in the series, Kate seems to have cleaned up (and is using at times) Bruce's office.
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I don't recall Bruce's office being in disrepair in "Elseworlds, P2", but if it was, I think we may be dealing with a case of intentional violation of physical continuity where the Batwoman producers decided to deliberately change the physical state of Wayne Tower's interior for narrative purposes.
 
Batwoman: The Gossip Column

Well, readers, since Vesper Fairchild isn't on this forum... I guess it will fall to me to be the Gossip Columnist.

The Conundrum: will there be a hetero-sexual relationship on Batwoman that the writers will allow to be successful?

The Contenders:

Sophie Moore and her husband (who mysteriously isn't showing up on IMDB) - with Sophie hiding secrets from her husband, will it last? Will Sophie fall for Kate again? And what was up with that kiss with her husband? Was that Sophie realizing that she didn't like boys all along?

Colonel Jacob Kane and Catherine Hamilton-Kane Why are Mommy and Daddy fighting?!?

Wait a minute - is that the same Catherine Hamilton, who seems to be playing both ends against the middle and who was the one who "found" skull-fragments of Jacob's missing daughter, Beth (did you miss that), who just happens to be...

Alice in Wonderland and her boyfriend Chuck Dodgson: Where-oh-where is that Chuck hiding!?!

I guess it will be up to Kate and the new, and beautiful, Reagan to have a successful, non-Bad Guy relationship. Great for them, but...

But that just doesn't fit the question.

I just hope Reagan doesn't just see right through Kate and realize that she's Batwoman...
 
Captain Nebula said:
Batwoman: The Gossip Column

Well, readers, since Vesper Fairchild isn't on this forum... I guess it will fall to me to be the Gossip Columnist.

The Conundrum: will there be a hetero-sexual relationship on Batwoman that the writers will allow to be successful?

The Contenders:

Sophie Moore and her husband (who mysteriously isn't showing up on IMDB) - with Sophie hiding secrets from her husband, will it last? Will Sophie fall for Kate again? And what was up with that kiss with her husband? Was that Sophie realizing that she didn't like boys all along?

Colonel Jacob Kane and Catherine Hamilton-Kane Why are Mommy and Daddy fighting?!?

Wait a minute - is that the same Catherine Hamilton, who seems to be playing both ends against the middle and who was the one who "found" skull-fragments of Jacob's missing daughter, Beth (did you miss that), who just happens to be...

Alice in Wonderland and her boyfriend Chuck Dodgson: Where-oh-where is that Chuck hiding!?!

I guess it will be up to Kate and the new, and beautiful, Reagan to have a successful, non-Bad Guy relationship. Great for them, but...

But that just doesn't fit the question.

I just hope Reagan doesn't just see right through Kate and realize that she's Batwoman...
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That you are so hung up on same-sex relationships while pretending to be Vesper Fairchild is extremely ironic considering Fairchild is played by Rachel Maddow, herself a lesbian.
 
Captain Nebula said:
The Conundrum: will there be a hetero-sexual relationship on Batwoman that the writers will allow to be successful?
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As opposed to the star-crossed romances on pretty much every CW show and television in general?

Serialized TV shows thrive on romantic drama and complications and triangles. Three episodes in, BATWOMAN isn't doing anything comparable TV shows haven't done. I mean, I seem to recall Barry Allen pining for his foster sister, even though she was seeing somebody else, for pretty much the entire first season of THE FLASH. And SUPERGIRL milked the Kara-James-Lucy triangle for its entire first season. And need I mention poor Fitz and Simmons on AGENTS OF SHIELD, as well as pretty much every other relationship on that show? (Has Skye ever had a love interest who didn't turn evil or die?"

Only three episodes in, maybe it's bit early to be speculating about some sort of insidious anti-heterosexual agenda on the show? Just saying.
 
Not hung up. I'd like to see the same-sex relationship be successful. The writers are just making all of the hetero relationships be unsuccessful to try to make the same-sex one look more successful. It's strange that you don't see this.
 
Captain Nebula said:
could the writers be any more blatant that they think Heterosexual relationships are evil?
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Captain Nebula said:
The writers are just making all of the hetero relationships be unsuccessful to try to make the same-sex one look more successful. It's strange that you don't see this.
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Captain Nebula said:
Not hung up. I'd like to see the same-sex relationship be successful. The writers are just making all of the hetero relationships be unsuccessful to try to make the same-sex one look more successful. It's strange that you don't see this.
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Nonsense. And did you miss that Sophie dumped Kate years ago, breaking her heart? That's a successful relationship? And it's way too early to make any sweeping generalizations about Kate and Reagan. Chances are, Reagan is just a temporary complication and/or a supervillain. (Odds are, she's Magpie.)

You seem to be looking way too hard to find some sort of agenda after only three episodes.

Yes, Kate is going to have her big romantic moments, just like the Flash and Green Arrow and Supergirl and Black Lightning, just because she's the main character. And because she's gay those big romantic moments are going to be with women. But she's also going to have lots of soap-opera reverses and heartbreak too . . . because TV.

So far they're not handling the romances on this show any differently than the romances on the other CW shows. Expect lots of angst and drama and, occasionally, love conquering all. Same-sex, opposite-sex . . . doesn't matter. It's all the same.
 
Captain Nebula said:
Not hung up. I'd like to see the same-sex relationship be successful. The writers are just making all of the hetero relationships be unsuccessful to try to make the same-sex one look more successful. It's strange that you don't see this.
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No one can see it because it isn’t a real issue.

Batwoman is the star and she’s a lesbian, her relationship is going to be a part of the show. The CW shows with heterosexual characters do the exact same thing and no one thinks of it, other than think Barry and Iris are too adorable together.
 
Is there such a thing as too adorable?

*I mean even Sara and Ava picking out a bed in literal box-store hell wasn't too adorable.
 
Supergirl said:
No one can see it because it isn’t a real issue.

Batwoman is the star and she’s a lesbian, her relationship is going to be a part of the show. The CW shows with heterosexual characters do the exact same thing and no one thinks of it, other than think Barry and Iris are too adorable together.
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Bingo. I mean, somehow I doubt that Cisco's or Caitlin's constant romantic travails on THE FLASH are intended to make straight romances look bad. And both Supergirl and her sister have had their hearts broken, even though the former is straight and the latter is gay.

The course of CW love never does run smooth, no matter the orientation.
 
I was feeling sorry for Beth Behrs, wasting herself over on that one dimensional shitty comedy The Neighbourhood. Of course if she still has to do 22 episodes of the Nieghbourhood, every damn year, how much semi-nudity with Kate can I expect?
 
It's always a mistake to assume that writers have something against the characters they put through hardships. We writers are a sadistic lot -- it's the characters we like that we put through hell, because it's by facing those hardships that they display the qualities we appreciate in them. Happy, successful lives are boring, and it's an affront to interesting characters to make their lives uninteresting.
 
Christopher said:
It's always a mistake to assume that writers have something against the characters they put through hardships. We writers are a sadistic lot -- it's the characters we like that we put through hell, because it's by facing those hardships that they display the qualities we appreciate in them. Happy, successful lives are boring, and it's an affront to interesting characters to make their lives uninteresting.
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Exactly. My job is to make character's lives as difficult as possible--and even kill them off if the plot requires it. You need to be cold-blooded and ruthless sometimes. :)
 
Greg Cox said:
Exactly. My job is to make character's lives as difficult as possible--and even kill them off if the plot requires it. You need to be cold-blooded and ruthless sometimes. :)
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Well, not necessarily cold-blooded. There have been times when I've cried for half an hour after killing off a character I was emotionally invested in. We want our readers to care about our characters as much as we do. I've always found that writing is a lot like acting -- you immerse yourself in what the characters are feeling so that you can convey that feeling to the audience. Which is why it's hard to dislike any of your own characters, even the villains. You want to be able to identify with them and see things from their points of view so you can write them convincingly.

To be sure, sometimes there are characters that we choose to portray as irredeemably villainous and awful, but we don't do that by showing them in unhappy relationships or whatever. On the contrary, we generally make them powerful and successful at making our heroes' lives miserable, at least until the time comes for the heroes' final victory.
 
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