Spoilers Season 3 Comic-Con reveals
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Hmm. Not only does season 3 appear to echo Andromeda, but the abandoned Star Trek: Federation as well.
FC was certainly not mediocre or forgettable. INS was more relevant to those who don't want action, NEM was more relevant to those who want action. The E looked great in all of them.
Yes, it was good in the pilot and then just weird and boring in the rest of the show. Glad to see they made it more interesting again.
It’s not a unique concept
This YouTube Video points out something I hadn't thought about. The Federation flag only has six planets. It used to be 150. Not looking too good for the Federation (or rather what's left of it)... You can see this pointed out around the 5:00-mark.
Yeah, that had definitely stood out to me when the flag is dropped down. Though, I don't think the flag ever had all 150 stars on it, but it definitely has a different look. Be interesting to see what has happened.
We've had two series establish that the 29th - 31st centuries are extremely advanced societies that utilize time travel and monitor the time continuum itself. Daniels was able to move Archer about in the space time continuum with the same ease as Q. I'd like to know what happened! If this is the equivalent of the dark ages, something pretty drastic upended the 32nd century. Could Discovery being pulled into the 32nd century have had a similar result to what happened when Archer was pulled forward in Shockwave?
The full dirt can be found, guess where...
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/federation_emblem.htm
I gather this is yer standard heraldry thing. Before mass media or printing press, it would have been impossible to convey the exact specs of a graphic representation of a noble family or whatnot, but the essentials were all that mattered. So a description or "blazon" or whatever might read "Starfield of <insert funny heraldic name for white> on <insert silly heraldic name for dark blue>, with a number of stars prominent, surrounded by <insert hilarious heraldic name for laurels>", and every single take on that on screen, as listed in Bernd's, Jörg's and Brad's treatise, would be equally valid. It would be up to the artist (or his supplier, or the customer bringing the shield on which all this has to fit) to decide upon the exact shade of "azure", the placement of the "argent" highlights, and even the shape of the prominent stars (although only the DSC through ST4:TVH versions have them as heraldic stars or "balls" rather than "mullets")...
The take in the 32rd century might be just one of the usual artistic liberties being taken, then. Especially fitting if records from the barbaric and tumultous 24th century are fragmentary.
Timo Saloniemi
A lot to take in from that trailer. Are there only 6 Fed worlds (shown on the flag), or were there at its end?
Why are Morn (kidding), Cardies & Andorians attacking Burnham.
What is going on with those Trill?
What the hell happened to the Federation if Andorians are an enemy now?
I gotta process all this, just saw the trailer and the new Picard one too.
Why are Morn (kidding), Cardies & Andorians attacking Burnham.
What is going on with those Trill?
What the hell happened to the Federation if Andorians are an enemy now?
I gotta process all this, just saw the trailer and the new Picard one too.
I can understand the reasoning. I still hate it.
The problem IMO comes from the basic assumptions:
- We want an optimistic future scenario for humanity
- We want to show the world become a Mad Max-like post-apocalyptic wasteland
What's fun is that the "original" flag had three prominent stars, and we never learned what those might stand for. Four founding members existed as the absolute minimum (because the list Daniels gives to Archer is four long, even if he edits it for brevity), not three. Are the stars there for the UFP Ideals, whatever those might be? Noninterference, Morality, Superior firepower?
Having six instead of three might be taken as a sign of growth, really. But of what? Of the number of members who actually matter? Of the number of catchphrases?
Timo Saloniemi
Having six instead of three might be taken as a sign of growth, really. But of what? Of the number of members who actually matter? Of the number of catchphrases?
Timo Saloniemi
Burnham says in the trailer she spent a year looking for a single event that led to this future but couldn't. It seems like there are a lot of factors leading to the Federation's decline, more than can be spotted by studying history.
The new flag has 2 big ones and 4 smaller ones instead of 3 big ones and countless little ones. I suspect it means one of the founding members of the Federation has left, I'm guessing Andoria since our heroes are being chased by Andorians at one point.
Might well be Michael herself is once again the root cause and centerpiece: time travel tends to have consequences. But it's a bit difficult to imagine what would result in a monopoly on time travel, rather than a Temporal Thirty-Million-Year War without an entry fee.
I wonder what they are saving Gabrielle B for...
Timo Saloniemi
I wonder what they are saving Gabrielle B for...
Timo Saloniemi
I wonder if Burnham's floating in the symbiont breeding pool because she and/or the Trill theorize that it might let her see what the symbionts know, or because she will get temporarily joined to a suitably ancient one, Odan-style, to get an insight on what happened in the past [insert symbiont lifespan here] years. Way too fanwanky, but I'd kind of want it to be Dax (but then again, with all the Trill characters around, Dax is probably already joined if they've survived for that long).
I want Michael to get the Dax symbiont, but since Michael is not a Trill the joining is not complete. So instead of a full joining of the minds, she hears (and sees) the Dax symbiont in her mind. And the Dax symbiont is played by Terry Farrell!
(I want to save Ezri for an actual flesh-and-blood appearance in the Picard series.)
The Trill symbionts are a pretty good way of getting a character up to date on 900 years of history, not even a Vulcan mind meld would do that. I presume then, to get to Trill, the spore drive is still working and integral to season three. In effect now they can go galaxy hopping and visit anywhere.
As for the Federation flag, it's more noticeable there are no background stars in the design, only the six main ones. Whether these represent any member worlds I have no idea, but maybe the concept of the Federation being a mass of worlds is now not so applicable?
Also the 'Federation' guy that greets Burnham is definitely a hologram, he flickers slightly when in shot. Perhaps the true Federation have had to go into hiding to maintain themselves for an awakening at a future date, a sort of take on what happened to the Vaadwaar in Voyager.
As for the Federation flag, it's more noticeable there are no background stars in the design, only the six main ones. Whether these represent any member worlds I have no idea, but maybe the concept of the Federation being a mass of worlds is now not so applicable?
Also the 'Federation' guy that greets Burnham is definitely a hologram, he flickers slightly when in shot. Perhaps the true Federation have had to go into hiding to maintain themselves for an awakening at a future date, a sort of take on what happened to the Vaadwaar in Voyager.
Not sure if this is 100% accurate, but....
Then...
Maybe they've lost all those outer worlds.
Then...
Maybe they've lost all those outer worlds.
