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Joker Origin Story Announced

Most people aren't cannibals, so Hannibal is off the list of "inspiring people".
Most people aren't incels either and most incels don't go out and kill people. Society can't function if it's about constant overeaction and censorship towards ever bad thing in society. Freedom comes with some risks and when people let their fear control them they usually give control to authoritarians like Trump. It is silly to be afraid of a movie that wouldn't even qualify as propaganda. Jason
 
The military sent a warning! That's not normal. That's news.

The U.S. Army sent a notice to service members, citing an unidentified FBI report, reminding them of the "run / hide / fight" protocol.

Also, as someone with degrees in journalism and PR, and who worked in the media for eight years ... yes, and I have experienced this sort of bullshit first-hand.

You are not alone.

The only priority among media outlets nowadays is anything that will move papers / magazines / clicks / subscriptions. Or, as the philosopher Watterson put it, "It's a crass culture, Hobbes. Shoddy and quick is all anybody knows."

Its the same media-inspired overreaction--almost entirely based on what kind of character and/or perception is accepted, and what kind is not. In 1974--a period of climbing of violence in the United States--endless numbers of "journalists" promised or tried to pin the "will inspire" / "irresponsible" label on the film Death Wish, as if legions were going to become vigilantes as a response to the film lead's reaction to street crime (no, that did not happen).

It was overreaction and BS, as the United States had been (as noted earlier) climbing in violent crime (and unsolved crimes) in general since the previous decade, yet there was no wave of vigilante justice accompanying it. The Brian Garfield novel (published in 1972) was--like the film--offering a hypothetical look at what one person would do if affected by violent crime, yet to anyone who actually read the novel, they understood it was not a call to action / advocating vigilante "justice" at all, and again, the novel and film did not create the so-named "copycat" reactions.
I will note that some of the same critics who shook fists at nonexistent inspiration / reactions to Paul Kersey (the lead character of Death Wish) praised the murderous lead of Taxi Driver, with many justifying his actions as understandable/heroic and issuing no fear-mongering articles about the potential for Travis Bickle copycats.

Again, its about what kind of character is accepted and what kind is not, despite both adopting extreme measures & taking the law into their hands, which is an undeniably dishonest position. Few will ever address that.

The same applies to the Joker film, where some irresponsible "journalists" have preconceived notions about the character and the film (long before seeing it) and reach wildly inaccurate conclusions, not in any legitimate interest of public safety, but often due to their own agendas.
 
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Its the same media-inspired overreaction--almost entirely based on what kind of character and/or perception is accepted, and what kind is not. In 1974--a period of climbing of violence in the United States--endless numbers of "journalists" promised or tried to pin the "will inspire" / "irresponsible" label on the film Death Wish, as if legions were going to become vigilantes as a response to the film lead's reaction to street crime (no, that did not happen).
Precisely so. I do wonder why there isn't a rampant push back against Batman or Netflix's Daredevil, which espouse similar vigilantly style justice. Daredevil even points out that the reason he took to beating people up is because the law failed.

But, no, it's the movie about a killer clown that will cause increased violence? O_o
 
Lets not forget kids who put on a cape and jump off roofs thinking they can fly like Superman. Sometimes kids can do something because it looks cool. What movies can't do is change who you are. If someone is going to snap a movie isn't going to be the cause. Plus I guess nobody considered the overeaction might just validate their resentment making them continue to hate society. Perhaps they could use a little kindness and understanding before they go to far. Not everyone is a lost cause. Sometimes people need a helping hand instead another insult. I also think this reaction based on how the true meaning of white priveledge has been warped by misunderstanding even by these clickbait sites that claim to advocate it. They entire understanding of human suffering is limited to slogans and labels without looking much deeper. Jason
 
I'm no fan of Trump in any way, but there was no Trump or mouthing off involved in the vast majority of countless mass shootings we've had in this country. We've had red flags. Some say ''gun free school zones'' encourage shooters. You're saying precautionary warnings will encourage the shooters to attack anyway. But since they generally want to take victims by surprise, and few actually engage the cops once they arrive, why is the percaution dangerous in itself?

TAXI DRIVER changed history in a significant way, though Scorsese couldn't have anticipated what Hinckley would do.
I can only mention three other lesser-known films which inspired copycat deaths: FUZZ, MONEY TRAIN and THE PROGRAM (which removed the inspiring scene when real-life idiots were putting themselves in the streets to be run over and killed by cars, just like several of the movie's characters.) Movies can be inspirational in bizarre ways.
Mass shootings have increased since Trump took office and that is a direct result of the shit that flows from his mouth. Copy cats gonna copy. As far as the movie, the only press about it at all was how good the reviews have been or peeps saying it's jino. Putting a warning out there brings attention where there was none and now you have a trigger happy contingent that might go off. If there is some kind of threat, the FBI and Homeland Security should be handling it as well as the messaging.
 
Mass shootings have increased since Trump took office...
Nope . Gun violence was on the rise long before Trump took office.
and that is a direct result of the shit that flows from his mouth. Copy cats gonna copy.

I'm not aware of any scientific studies that show a correlation between Trump and mass shootings. Can you provide one?
As far as the movie, the only press about it at all was how good the reviews have been or peeps saying it's jino. Putting a warning out there brings attention where there was none and now you have a trigger happy contingent that might go off. If there is some kind of threat, the FBI and Homeland Security should be handling it as well as the messaging.

Meh.......if someone wants to do harm they'll do it regardless of any outside influences or public statements. There's nothing wrong with taking reasonable precautions when you have a precedent. It's no different than being on high alert on September 11 each year.
 
The statement was, "Mass shootings have increased since Trump took office." The chart you linked shows that to be objectively true.
Except he's also saying that Trump is the cause which wouldn't be the case if they were already on the rise before he took office. It's the classic mistake of correlation/causation.
 
Nope . Gun violence was on the rise long before Trump took office.


I'm not aware of any scientific studies that show a correlation between Trump and mass shootings. Can you provide one?


Meh.......if someone wants to do harm they'll do it regardless of any outside influences or public statements. There's nothing wrong with taking reasonable precautions when you have a precedent. It's no different than being on high alert on September 11 each year.
So, you can't read a chart?
 
One of many positive reviews
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I certainly agree with his views on the "controversy" surrounding the movie. This isn't the first time a bad guy has been a protagonist. Any movie that actually gets people talking and re-examines how people relate to one another is a good thing. It's not saying that he's a good guy. It just helps explain how his social environment made him what he is. If that makes people uncomfortable, well, that's guilt and that isn't the movie's problem.
 
Some showing in New York City will have undercover NYPD officers in the audience. I'm sorry, but it is starting to feel like they are going a bit overboard here. If you want to be cautious, that's fine, but this is getting excessive.
If you're against undercover cops in the crowd, what do you think would be an effective precaution?
I have to wonder if this is going to end up being a massive flop, just because all of this is going to end up making everybody to scared to go see it.
I highly doubt that some undercover cops in the crowd is going to deter the masses from seeing it.
 
I think it's a sensible precaution.

If nothing happens, then no worries, as the fans will never know that there are cops there. If something DOES happen, it can be dealt with. I'm not seeing a downside here. :shrug:
 
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