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Disco Writer used the N word in the writers room.

If they wanted to shut him down from talking about racism they wouldn't have hired him in the first place.
That's a very narrow view of @Rahul 's point. He was talking about how, when presented with the true dark realities of racism, some can become uncomfortable to the point of censoring the person recounting as though their traumatic experience is just too much for polite society. I'm sure nobody would have been concerned had he talked about racism in the sort of whitewashed family friendly way that TV shows like Star Trek usually talk about it, Far Beyond the Stars notwithstanding.
 
If they wanted to shut him down from talking about racism they wouldn't have hired him in the first place.

You could not be more incorrect. It is highly likely hired him for the reason black people have companied about regarding the politically (white) liberal entertainment business (particularly in the position of writing and/or directing) for decades: they (the employer) wants that "flavor" from the black hire (insulting from the start), but only if the black person's allegedly desired experiences fit into what the employers say is acceptable for their worldviews. So, in their hyper-policed, hyper-triggered environment, they have gone beyond anything that would be recognized as too far in not allowing a black man to freely express his experiences (which his white employers have been and ever will be ignorant of) regarding race. He did not comply, so it appears that in typical "we know best" response...the rest is history.


That's a very narrow view of @Rahul 's point. He was talking about how, when presented with the true dark realities of racism, some can become uncomfortable to the point of censoring the person recounting as though their traumatic experience is just too much for polite society. I'm sure nobody would have been concerned had he talked about racism in the sort of whitewashed family friendly way that TV shows like Star Trek usually talk about it, .

Yes, because the usual way to address (historically) it is from people who do not understand it / fits into their accepted worldview.
 
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This would be the logical place.......
https://www.trekbbs.com/rules/

"- No slurs. The N----- word, the F-- word, etc. (Slurs, not profanity) If it's borderline, just don't do it. "
I guess. But it doesn't say anything about a blanket rule with no exceptions, and there have been other slurs even used in this very thread.

Anyway, doesn't matter. It's not like I need to use the word, it's just weird that there is a line from an episode of Star Trek that I can't quote on this forum without getting into trouble.
 
Holy shit. The DIS' writers room is a toxic hellhole.

And to everyone blaming "PC culture" or "SJWs": FUCK THAT.
This is very much a rightwing thing to do: A white male telling a minority person to stop complaining, that "hey, racism is over. So stop talking about racism. Otherwise that makes us uncomfortable. Which makes you the real racist."

The issue isn't a black person dropping the n-word here. The issue is a socially conservative environment shutting down minorities to talk about racism. On a Star Trek show. Fuck that. These people can go to hell.

I couldn't disagree with that more if I tried. This screams left wing liberal lunacy. Probably a smug white guy with blue hair who thinks they know it all and can tell a black man what racism is. Fuck that rat and honestly fuck that writers room.
 
Yeah, it DEFINITELY wasn't one of the other black writers complaining...

They very much SAID - verbatim - the complaint was about that word making people "uncomfortable in a working environment". Not insulting. Uncomfortable. When an old black guy said it talking about the past. If you think that wording came from anyone else than a young, conservative white guy, I've got a whole ton of bridges to sell you.

If you think young conservative white guys are working on Discovery I've got a handful of magic beans you might be interested in. This has liberal insanity written all over it. White Liberal insanity.
 
If you work for a corporation, HR is universal.

HR is to stop multi-million dollar payouts, to abused people.

The corporations do not really care about feelings.

If a complaint is made, then unavoidable steps are taken to protect the corporation's money.

This has been true for a very long time.
 
Two important facts about this to remember...

The original story broke from The Hollywood Reporter, not Variety.
(The V-writer even states this in their article)

Kurtzman apparently personally hired Walter Mosley to work on Star Trek a month or so ago.

Folks are starting to twist things a bit in their posts.


Also, CBS did respond to the original op-ed by Mr. Mosley saying...

"... Producers CBS TV Studios responded to the acclaimed writer and author in a statement provided to The Hollywood Reporter: "We are committed to supporting a workplace where employees feel free to express concerns and where they feel comfortable performing their best work."

Though it seems that in this particular case the last line of that statement is totally incompatible with the reality of the situation.
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I guess. But it doesn't say anything about a blanket rule with no exceptions, and there have been other slurs even used in this very thread.

Anyway, doesn't matter. It's not like I need to use the word, it's just weird that there is a line from an episode of Star Trek that I can't quote on this forum without getting into trouble.
It’s not it being a Star Trek line that we’re concerned about. In case you forgot, it has a history outside of Trek that really trumps any reason to use it.
 
I couldn't disagree with that more if I tried. This screams left wing liberal lunacy. Probably a smug white guy with blue hair who thinks they know it all and can tell a black man what racism is. Fuck that rat and honestly fuck that writers room.
Way to jump to exactly what you want it to be and avoid facts and stuff.........
 
I'm not black. I am Mexican- and Jewish-American. I generally pass, probably only 10% of the time people realize I have Mexican descent, 35% Jewish.

I've been in the middle of conversations in which some participants did not know they were in the midst of (clutch your pearls) a "minority." When they used shitty words, it was because they had shitty thoughts and they had shitty intentions. When I heard my neighbor describe someone else as a "sp!c," it was not a term of endearment. He was minimizing that person, using the word in a way that said this person deserved no respect. It was an act of racism. When I heard people used the phrase "Jew down," I knew there was a racist meaning ... especially when they suddenly collapse in embarrassment when I revealed I was Jewish. There are dozens of others times when people frankly revealed themselves to me.

What HR did to Walter Mosley (whatever it was) was not "woke" or "political correctness" gone awry. It was CYA. Perhaps Mr. Mosley had some good reason to use the n-word, talking about his experiences as an African-American man. Human resources has an obligation to make sure that there is an atmosphere conducive to work, and that abuses occur that disrupt or affect performance. Because Mr. Mosley quit, we don't know what HR's intentions were. If any employee, including African American, were using the n-word casually, it should be investigated.

You don't need to use ethnic slurs when describing people. You don't need to defend the use of ethnic slurs in public. When you do so, you are defending racism. If they are on the tip of your tongue because your friends always use them, it's probably because they are accustomed to using language to demean and insult people of other races.
 
This part of the story is especially funny though...

"...Mosley went on to explain that the individual in HR said that while he was free to use that word in a script, he "could not say it." Mosley then clarified, "I hadn’t called anyone it. I just told a story about a cop who explained to me, on the streets of Los Angeles, that he stopped all n---ers in paddy neighborhoods and all paddies in n---er neighborhoods, because they were usually up to no good. I was telling a true story as I remembered it..."

How the Hell does one create a script in a creative environment involving multiple people that includes the N-Word, with out actually saying it?!?
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This Yt comedy skit video from The Laugh Factory is especially poignant in these troubling times...

WARNING: IT USES THE N-WORD A LOT AS A FUNNY POLITICAL STATEMENT
(I'm only showing a link to the Yt site, not the video itself)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcBCy5SYEps
 
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