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Donny's TOS Enterprise Interiors
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Not a comment on your work, Donny, since I'm not that into renders et al. so it all looks pretty amazing. But a question on the general miranda design -- if it's a deflector pod, doesn't the bridge slightly get in the way of the deflector (ship facing forward), and wouldnt that maybe impede its work at deflecting?
I'm really not into the Trek tech side of things either, so pardon my ignorance if I'm off base here.
I'm really not into the Trek tech side of things either, so pardon my ignorance if I'm off base here.
@Donny One other thing I belatedly noticed: The call-out for the "emergency flush vents" leads to the vents that are in shadow. The corresponding vents on the other pylon are clearly visible so swapping the "vent" call-out with the "pennant" call-out top-to-bottom would make it more readable.
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I appreciate that suggestion!
I've actually made a number of alignment and location changes for the call-outs, gave the lines an arrow at the end, and moved the call-out name to rest on top of each line. This gives it a more organized, professional appearance, IMO. Perhaps more modern, but I'm really digging it and I'm going to go forward with generating the remaining views.
I suppose, yes. In my head canon, however, I see the dish to be a combination sensor array and deflector (Jefferies called it out as a "Main Sensor", whereas Franz Joseph called it out as the "Main Sensor and Navigational Deflector). The "spike", IMO, is what emits the deflector beam, whereas the dish is the receptor for sensing information. With this in mind, having the dish partially covered by the bridge (which also has a sensor dome on top) would only hinder the sensor to a degree that is most likely made up by the bridge's upper sensor dome.
OR, I have no idea what I'm talking about and I'm making this up as I go
Anyhow, the amount that the dish is covered by the upper sensor dome isn't much, and FJ calls out those three circular lit areas at the forward of the primary hull to be deflectors as well, so they could theoretically make up for any deflecting blocked by the sensor dome:
I admit I'm ready to get back to modeling! Setting up this template will be good though and make it easier for me to make presentable orthographic views in the future.
Check out the mess on the floor around my workstation at home, where I've gathered a ton of Trek schematics to study what others have done in this vein:
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I like it 
The indents below the rollbar / support pylons are just begging for a callout...
Ya know, I've been having trouble deciding what those indentions on the aft of the upper hull are exactly. On the TMP Miranda, they're adorned with greebles, but since I wanted this ship to be greeble-less, they're just...well...indents.
I was thinking, what if the roll-bar were removed (which I believe it is meant to be when required), those indents would then have the necessary clearance to serve as mounting points for larger mission modules. For example, Ptolemy-style tow plates could be fastened to the ship in these locations, turning the Miranda into a container transport if her mission required it. This resulted in me whipping together the following mock-up:
It does, however, present a small problem in that the containers are therefore mounted upside-down, so their registries and pennant would be upside down as well, which would look odd. Unless I modify my containers to have mounting points on the top and bottom.
I dunno, just a thought. I may call the indents out as "auxiliary mission module attachment points" or something similar. This functionality would have also seemed to have been removed completely by the time the Miranda's were all refit.
Alternatively, I thought that maybe the indents within the indents could be large doors that open up directly into the hangar/cargo complex for the placement of large objects to be ferried to another location. This function would also require the rollbar to be removed for said operation. Thoughts?
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It's something to that nature. The Miranda is supposed to be more of a utilitarian counterpart to the Constitutions (at least as I understood them), so really... it's both. Mirandas can step into cargo-hauling roles (both with mounted containers and direct drops into the cargo area), in addition to other things. After all, the Lantree was clearly in a cargo / transport capacity when we run into her in Next Gen.
Otherwise I would have thought those indents were sensor pallets of some kind. Would fit if Reliant was configured for survey work. Since nearly every Miranda has them you could say they were standard construction with the capability of being swapped out, but most ships never saw this happen in their lifetimes.
Otherwise I would have thought those indents were sensor pallets of some kind. Would fit if Reliant was configured for survey work. Since nearly every Miranda has them you could say they were standard construction with the capability of being swapped out, but most ships never saw this happen in their lifetimes.
I suppose, yes. In my head canon, however, I see the dish to be a combination sensor array and deflector (Jefferies called it out as a "Main Sensor", whereas Franz Joseph called it out as the "Main Sensor and Navigational Deflector). The "spike", IMO, is what emits the deflector beam, whereas the dish is the receptor for sensing information. With this in mind, having the dish partially covered by the bridge (which also has a sensor dome on top) would only hinder the sensor to a degree that is most likely made up by the bridge's upper sensor dome.
OR, I have no idea what I'm talking about and I'm making this up as I go
Another point is that the TOS dish is mounted on a pivot. We never saw it being aimed, but it's certainly possible. In that case, the dish would just be in a "standby" position, and being blocked would be less important.
Could be the tip of the spike is the emitter of the deflection beam, but it's pointed backwards and aimed at the dish to amplify it, just like a real-life antenna reflector, in which case it could probably be dialed narrower or wider, so when the dish is pointed forward, the deflector beam is tuned to only reflect out from within that outermost ridge, and not the full dish. That practice could also explain why deflectors got smaller after WNMHGB; Starfleet found that starships rarely or never needed the full diameter of the dish while deflecting/sensing things, and trimmed it down to save mass in the next upgrade cycle.
Ya know, I've been having trouble deciding what those indentions on the aft of the upper hull are exactly. On the TMP Miranda, they're adorned with greebles, but since I wanted this ship to be greeble-less, they're just...well...indents.
I was thinking, what if the roll-bar were removed (which I believe it is meant to be when required), those indents would then have the necessary clearance to serve as mounting points for larger mission modules. For example, Ptolemy-style tow plates could be fastened to the ship in these locations, turning the Miranda into a container transport if her mission required it. This resulted in me whipping together the following mock-up:
It does, however, present a small problem in that the containers are therefore mounted upside-down, so their registries and pennant would be upside down as well, which would look odd. I dunno, just a thought. I may call the indents out as "auxiliary mission module attachment points" or something similar.
Alternatively, I thought that maybe the indents within the indents could be large doors that open up directly into the hangar/cargo complex for the placement of large objects to be ferried to another location. This function would also require the rollbar to be removed for said operation. Thoughts?
Well, first off, I love the mockup. It reminds me of one of the unused DS9 kitbashes, but having the cargo modules above in this case gives it a very appealing feeling of weightlessness.
As for mounting them upside down, maybe the bottom of the tanks also has an attachment point? I know it's not really in the spirt to over-greeble these things, but it seems practical for there to be multiple connection points for versatility.
My own take would be that the nurnie-panels on the TOS Miranda should be doing the same thing as on the original, whatever that may be. Sensor pallets, I guess, since that's the most similar named analog on later Trek ships (Voyager, especially). In that case, it'd either be TOS-style mechanical parts, maybe reused from the interior sets, or some sort of protective panel to stay to the Jefferies maintenance-from-the-inside aesthetic. Masao's Archer-class included what I interpreted as lamé-style grills on my model, which I thought of as the TOS equivalent of a Voyager or Miranda-style sensor pallet greeble. I thought it was evoking a texture used on sets in TOS a lot, the first example I can think of is the wall-art covering the Tantalus device in "Mirror, Mirror," though, checking now, perhaps I should've actually looked at some reference when I made the texture rather than going from memory. Oh, well, it probably helps that it looks different, it's not like the ship would actually be made with a giant fabric weave over part of it (though the studio model might've been...).
Personally I always read those inset on top of the shuttlebays to be related to them; maybe as massive doors, or maybe some sort of passive sensors/comm unit for keeping a lock on shuttles/fighters when a lot are deployed, making coordination easier. After all, with that massive shuttlebay space, it would make sense to have equipment specifically for it. Plus the redundancy would be very useful for combat operations.
Regarding the tug, I always liked the idea of the New York Class, which rather than using those insets, uses the extruded bottom of the aft saucer as an attachment area, where a cargo pod with a special connector can be placed. Maybe the resulting ship is too similar to the Ptolemy, but it allows a ship to carry a cargo pod without needing to detach the rollbar, thus giving much greater flexibility.
Regarding the tug, I always liked the idea of the New York Class, which rather than using those insets, uses the extruded bottom of the aft saucer as an attachment area, where a cargo pod with a special connector can be placed. Maybe the resulting ship is too similar to the Ptolemy, but it allows a ship to carry a cargo pod without needing to detach the rollbar, thus giving much greater flexibility.
I'd want continuity with the TMP era, so something that area could plausibly be as a plain indent or as greebly bits. Sensors of some kind or shuttlebay accessory access something work well for me. I like the idea of attachment points, but it doesn't seem to work as well for the greebly version...
Ya know, I've been having trouble deciding what those indentions on the aft of the upper hull are exactly. On the TMP Miranda, they're adorned with greebles, but since I wanted this ship to be greeble-less, they're just...well...indents.
I was thinking, what if the roll-bar were removed (which I believe it is meant to be when required), those indents would then have the necessary clearance to serve as mounting points for larger mission modules. For example, Ptolemy-style tow plates could be fastened to the ship in these locations, turning the Miranda into a container transport if her mission required it. This resulted in me whipping together the following mock-up:
It does, however, present a small problem in that the containers are therefore mounted upside-down, so their registries and pennant would be upside down as well, which would look odd. Unless I modify my containers to have mounting points on the top and bottom.
I dunno, just a thought. I may call the indents out as "auxiliary mission module attachment points" or something similar. This functionality would have also seemed to have been removed completely by the time the Miranda's were all refit.
Alternatively, I thought that maybe the indents within the indents could be large doors that open up directly into the hangar/cargo complex for the placement of large objects to be ferried to another location. This function would also require the rollbar to be removed for said operation. Thoughts?
That should be Doppler--a two-fer.
That's BEAUTIFUL! I also love that you actually printed aridas's Fifty for Fifty. I should do that!Check out the mess on the floor around my workstation at home, where I've gathered a ton of Trek schematics to study what others have done in this vein:
Yeah! I still need to buy a nice binder for them. I love having those as an addendum to my Tech Manual!
Okay, here are the final proofs. These are best viewed by clicking on the image, which will then take you to my Flickr account, and then viewing them fullscreen by clicking on the fullscreen icon in the upper right corner of the window. Alternatively, you can download a PDF file of the document here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hvhyuT_JLOi_JV2YWDgAk8VRNvJV1egp
While I proofread the text several times, please let me know if you see any spelling or grammar errors or anything else that stands out as a mistake. I considered making a page with a brief design history for this class of ship, and still may do so in the future, but my expertise with writing about naval/space vessels is rather limited and I honestly want to get back to modeling. If you are interested in penning a design history of the ship for me based on my preferences for such a history, please let me know!
DISCLAIMER: This is my first time venturing into infographics of any kind in the Star Trek universe. I know that everyone won't agree with some of the call-outs or specifications or the general design of the doc, but this is my vision of a TOS Miranda, and you're welcome to make your own document with your own renders if you so see fit
Anyway, I hope you enjoy! I have plans on making documents like these for the other ships I've modeled and have yet to model, so stay tuned!
While I proofread the text several times, please let me know if you see any spelling or grammar errors or anything else that stands out as a mistake. I considered making a page with a brief design history for this class of ship, and still may do so in the future, but my expertise with writing about naval/space vessels is rather limited and I honestly want to get back to modeling. If you are interested in penning a design history of the ship for me based on my preferences for such a history, please let me know!
DISCLAIMER: This is my first time venturing into infographics of any kind in the Star Trek universe. I know that everyone won't agree with some of the call-outs or specifications or the general design of the doc, but this is my vision of a TOS Miranda, and you're welcome to make your own document with your own renders if you so see fit
Anyway, I hope you enjoy! I have plans on making documents like these for the other ships I've modeled and have yet to model, so stay tuned!
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I love the idea of the those indent being mounting points!
And looking at the move era, I don't see why that couldn't remain true... The method of producing and distributing power seems to have gone through a major shift between these eras (thus requiring different external structures for the same purposes).
The major greebling that started with TMP may coincide with perhaps better/more reliable EVA suits or similar (perhaps the work bee "system" started at the same time as the "greebling"). The real estate that making everything accessible internally may not be worth it with better EVA technology, freeing up precious internal space but forcing some repairs and/or adjustments to be made externally. Just a thought.
But I LOVE this idea!
And looking at the move era, I don't see why that couldn't remain true... The method of producing and distributing power seems to have gone through a major shift between these eras (thus requiring different external structures for the same purposes).
The major greebling that started with TMP may coincide with perhaps better/more reliable EVA suits or similar (perhaps the work bee "system" started at the same time as the "greebling"). The real estate that making everything accessible internally may not be worth it with better EVA technology, freeing up precious internal space but forcing some repairs and/or adjustments to be made externally. Just a thought.
But I LOVE this idea!
Probably the most minor quibble: the 3/4 view looks to have perspective, which just jumps out as wrong for the "technical" format. Isometric all the way for diagrammatic purposes, realistic perspective for cover art or something like that. (I know, one could argue that the first page IS like a cover, but I'd disagree for this format.)
Decided to correct the error with the Buenos Aires registry where I'd accidentally had a double space after "U.S.S.", and figured I'd take some updated screenshots. I threw in a planet to make the shots prettier, and then decided to update some other shots as well with an Earth-like planet in the background.
Okay! Now that that's done, I'm officially moving on from the Miranda!
Okay! Now that that's done, I'm officially moving on from the Miranda!
