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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens

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Professor Zoom said:
30 minutes is 30 minutes. Lots of complete stories can be told in that time.
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22 episodes of Filmation's "Star Trek Animated". Each about 22 mins.

Matthew Raymond said:
Has anyone ever successfully done this in the history of the franchise?
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In the late 70s and early 80s, numerous convention hucksters negotiated licences with then-Paramount to sell Trek badges, stationery, T-shirts, bumper stickers, etc, but the official action figures, RPGs, novels and comics are usually exclusive licenses, sold to large corporations, so a fan/huckster would never be able to get a licence for action figures, novels or comics. Non-fiction books about Trek can be negotiated, but do it the wrong way and you get sued (eg. "The Joy of Trek") or ordered off the shelves (eg. a Klingon defence manual).
 
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Therin of Andor said:
22 episodes of Filmation's "Star Trek Animated". Each about 22 mins.
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Actually, they were 24 minutes. Too bad, because the whole 22x22 thing seems cooler.
Therin of Andor said:
In the late 70s and early 80s, numerous convention hucksters negotiated licences with then-Paramount to sell Trek badges, stationery, T-shirts, bumper stickers, etc, but the official action figures, RPGs, novels and comics are usually exclusive licenses, sold to large corporations, so a fan/huckster would never be able to get a licence for action figures, novels or comics. Non-fiction books about Trek can be negotiated, but do it the wrong way and you get sued (eg. "The Joy of Trek") or ordered off the shelves (eg. a Klingon defence manual).
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But that kinda sounds like there isn't a way to license the IP necessary to create a legal fan film. They only trusted major vendors with their most vital IP, which suggests that actual film production would only be done in-house in order to maintain control and maximize profits. They'd only every trust proven talent directly under their employ.
 
Matthew Raymond said:
Actually, they were 24 minutes. Too bad, because the whole 22x22 thing seems cooler.
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Minus opening and closing credits?

But that kinda sounds like there isn't a way to license the IP necessary to create a legal fan film. They only trusted major vendors with their most vital IP, which suggests that actual film production would only be done in-house in order to maintain control and maximize profits. They'd only every trust proven talent directly under their employ.
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Exactly. Paramount makes Trek movies exclusively. CBS makes Trek episodes exclusively. Simon & Schuster makes novels exclusively, as per their contract and careful scrutiny by CBS Licensing. IDW makes Trek comics exclusively, as per their contract and careful scrutiny by CBS Licensing. Other stuff, the fans can (and have done in the past) seek licenses, and work under very strict guidelines.
 
Amarillo Design Bueau makes games based on Star Trek under CBS/Paramount/Franz Joseph licensing. :techman:
 
Therin of Andor said:
Minus opening and closing credits?
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(* Shrug! *) Fair enough.
Therin of Andor said:
Exactly. Paramount makes Trek movies exclusively. CBS makes Trek episodes exclusively. Simon & Schuster makes novels exclusively, as per their contract and careful scrutiny by CBS Licensing. IDW makes Trek comics exclusively, as per their contract and careful scrutiny by CBS Licensing. Other stuff, the fans can (and have done in the past) seek licenses, and work under very strict guidelines.
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The thing was, I was originally responding to this:
Noname Given said:
The issue is: There IS a way to legally create Star trek content and get in on the game - GET A LICENSE FROM CBS.
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I've heard this argument before, I wanted to make sure everyone understood that, for all intents and purposes, you actually can't "get a license from CBS". Not that CBS has to license their IP. They don't. It's more along the lines of "Stop making this particular argument. It's stupid."
Sgt_G said:
Amarillo Design Bueau makes games based on Star Trek under CBS/Paramount/Franz Joseph licensing.
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Say, could someone actually make a licensed Star Fleet Battles fan film? ;)
 
That would be a question for Steve Cole. I don't work for him. The real question isn't whether or not Steve thinks his license allows for that, but rather if CBS thinks it allows for it. Steve once told me that the first cheques that go out every month, before the light/water/heat are paid, are the royalty payments to CBS / Paramount / Franz Joseph. As long as he stays on the narrow path and they get their money, they tend to leave him alone. Why push his luck making films???
 
Sgt_G said:
That would be a question for Steve Cole. I don't work for him. The real question isn't whether or not Steve thinks his license allows for that, but rather if CBS thinks it allows for it. Steve once told me that the first cheques that go out every month, before the light/water/heat are paid, are the royalty payments to CBS / Paramount / Franz Joseph. As long as he stays on the narrow path and they get their money, they tend to leave him alone. Why push his luck making films???
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I imagine he could make a PROMOTIONAL clip in order to advertise the came, but...promotional clips would have limited narrative and would, you know, focus on how great the game is rather than a story within the universe of the game.

But, yeah, beyond that, why risk a license to make a movie and for what purpose?

Csalem said:
Interlude getting closer to its fundraising target, but forgot to budget for hard-drives:
https://fanfilmfactor.com/2019/08/29/interlude-gofundme-tops-18000-nearing-the-goal/
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Well. I guess he is an amateur. And amateurs forget to budget things.
 
Csalem said:
Interlude getting closer to its fundraising target, but forgot to budget for hard-drives:
https://fanfilmfactor.com/2019/08/29/interlude-gofundme-tops-18000-nearing-the-goal/
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:rolleyes:

"Golly gosh! I'm just so super happy about all the people giving me money for my hobby! We've almost got enough to build an entire house, but gosh darn it, we forgot to include room in the budget for wood! Yuk Yuk! I guess somebody out there could have mentioned that would be useful, but we didn't put our budget out there 'cause we don't like backseat producers! Give us more money!"

I've got my marshmallows and Hershey bars ready to make s'mores over the fire this train wreck will produce. Since I can't eat the chocolate myself I'll make'em for the group.
 
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Hard drives are dirt cheap these days. Shouldn’t be that much, even for a RAID 0 configuration for rendering and video production.
 
137th Gebirg said:
Hard drives are dirt cheap these days. Shouldn’t be that much, even for a RAID 0 configuration for rendering and video production.
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Another graduate of the Ron Decline School of Accounting
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motorhead said:
nonono. you CAN buy these for USD 299 each on Amazon = USD 600
the issue is, if you THOUGHT about it for more than 0.2 seconds you probably wouldn't want to.
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Yeah, he says as much.
Two 10TB G-drives (one for back-up) are about $600 total. So we still need funds for that.
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Is he actually asking for more money, though?
Donations do keep coming in, and we’re just about at $18,300 (including about $100 in direct Paypal donations) from 215 backers. Another $1,200 gets us those hard drives and $1,000 in contingency. I’m confident we can make it!
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$18,300 + $1,200 = $19, 500, which matches his previous Revised Budget post. He says there's been some "belt tightening" in the budget, so that may account for the discrepancy.

He could be clearer on the matter, though. I'll be an interesting 10 weeks.
Matthew Raymond said:
Say, could someone actually make a licensed Star Fleet Battles fan film? ;)
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Sgt_G said:
Why push his luck making films???
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Yeah, I kinda figured from the start that it wasn't a practical option. It wouldn't make sense for them to negotiate any kind of video-related publishing rights anyway. Hence my winky face. ;)

Figured it was worth looking into regardless.

I really would love to see an explicitly Star Fleet Battles fan film, though. I don't think I've every seen one of those.
 
Philip Guyott said:
People have been asking for a long time now, "Where's the movie Alec?"

Well here it is!

The Axanar YouTube channel has uploaded their new film featuring a whole new cast and special effects. :eek:

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Isn't it great how a group of elementary school students have managed to do something that our favorite Film Industry Professional/Lawyer By Training hasn't been able to pull off after multiple fundraisers? Seriously, though, those kids did a great job on the lighting! It's more cinematically lit than a lot of grown-up fan films I've seen.
 
GeorgeKirk said:
Isn't it great how a group of elementary school students have managed to do something that our favorite Film Industry Professional/Lawyer By Training hasn't been able to pull off after multiple fundraisers? Seriously, though, those kids did a great job on the lighting! It's more cinematically lit than a lot of grown-up fan films I've seen.
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Let the kids make Axanar. By the time Alec and Lane get around to being ready all these kids will be old enough to play lead roles.
 
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