Spidey OUT of MCU
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Big character or not .. Feige has 5 years of planned movies and he just inherited a slew of them Is he going to spend time producing someone else's film that they are not going to get more than 5% of the profits from? Sony won't give up control of the character, do it seems to me Disney made an offer they knew anyone would refuse.
"Oh we helped your film get a billion dollars but we're still going to keep the pissy 5% of that even those are doing reason it got to a billion is our doing and in the future we're going to spend 12 hours a day for like a year working on a new film and we're still going to get 5% of it" Do you really think that's what they wanted to agree to?
"Oh we helped your film get a billion dollars but we're still going to keep the pissy 5% of that even those are doing reason it got to a billion is our doing and in the future we're going to spend 12 hours a day for like a year working on a new film and we're still going to get 5% of it" Do you really think that's what they wanted to agree to?
Everything that I mentioned comes directly from the original Deadline article about the breakup plus their updates.
Also, Disney doesn't even get 5% of the profits from Sony's Spider-Man films under the current deal, at least according to a summation I read today. Sony offered that perk to them, but they apparently waived said offer.
Honestly I have really enjoyed the MCU thus far, but I'm not that excited about the post Endgame landscape, I think the MCU peaked there and it's just going to tread water now.
I'm also opposed to Disney monopolizing damn near everything, and paying media to shill for them. I'm interested to see what Sony can do with a venom crossover, it's something different, I don't need MCU paint by numbers film #28
Honestly like I say I think Endgame was peak MCU, I also think DC are slowly but surely getting it right with the DCEU, IF and it's a big IF, they can finally get super man and batman done right, add them to Wonderwoman, Aquaman, Shazam then I think DC is gonna overtake marvel sooner than later. You killed off Iron Man, Captain America is an old fart and you lost spiderman, I have a strong feeling Thor is getting phased out soon. going forward MCU is putting out nothing less than the B team.
I'm also opposed to Disney monopolizing damn near everything, and paying media to shill for them. I'm interested to see what Sony can do with a venom crossover, it's something different, I don't need MCU paint by numbers film #28
Honestly like I say I think Endgame was peak MCU, I also think DC are slowly but surely getting it right with the DCEU, IF and it's a big IF, they can finally get super man and batman done right, add them to Wonderwoman, Aquaman, Shazam then I think DC is gonna overtake marvel sooner than later. You killed off Iron Man, Captain America is an old fart and you lost spiderman, I have a strong feeling Thor is getting phased out soon. going forward MCU is putting out nothing less than the B team.
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The MCU has already thrived with "The B-Team", they'll be fine without Cap, Iron man, etc. Pre 2008, Iron Man was a B-Tier character at best when it came to pop culture, making a movie about him was just as odd and probably more risky an idea as making movies about the Guardians of the galaxy or Ant-Man were. Cap and Thor were just as unknown in the mainstream as IM if not moreso in Thor's case.
The MCU was built mostly with characters that people who weren't comics fans had barely heard of (minus Hulk, obviously). I'd say that the MCU has already built Black Panther up to the level of the original Avengers when it comes to how excited people are to see him, and they have a huge untapped roster, including the FF and the X-Men.
The MCU is nowhere near fading away. Its got hot properties, and a lot of stuff till ready to be used. They'll continue to thrive, even without the old school Avengers (or Spider-Man, for that matter).
Sony, on the other hand, is shit. I doubt the venom sequel will get to coast to victory like the mediocre first movie did, and Sony hasn't made a good live action spider-man film by themselves since Spider-Man 2. Since pretty much no one, not even hardcore comic fans, give much of a shit about Sony's 10,000 spin off films (did anyone actualy want a Morbius solo movie? or the potential solo stuff with Kraven, Silver Sable, etc?), I'd say Sony is definitely going to end up worse without Marvel.
The MCU was built mostly with characters that people who weren't comics fans had barely heard of (minus Hulk, obviously). I'd say that the MCU has already built Black Panther up to the level of the original Avengers when it comes to how excited people are to see him, and they have a huge untapped roster, including the FF and the X-Men.
The MCU is nowhere near fading away. Its got hot properties, and a lot of stuff till ready to be used. They'll continue to thrive, even without the old school Avengers (or Spider-Man, for that matter).
Sony, on the other hand, is shit. I doubt the venom sequel will get to coast to victory like the mediocre first movie did, and Sony hasn't made a good live action spider-man film by themselves since Spider-Man 2. Since pretty much no one, not even hardcore comic fans, give much of a shit about Sony's 10,000 spin off films (did anyone actualy want a Morbius solo movie? or the potential solo stuff with Kraven, Silver Sable, etc?), I'd say Sony is definitely going to end up worse without Marvel.
No, the original dealine article said Sony offered no other proposals, which Sony later contradicted and most reporting says that the 5% is what Disney already gets under the current deal. No report, including the original deadline article, has a clear and complete picture of how the conversation(s) went or what the last proposal on the table was or who specifically walked away (the original report made it sound like Sony walked away, but Sony then claimed they made several counter-proposals without offering any other specifics about what Disney's response to those was beyond not accepting them), so we have no idea if Disney ever offered any sort of counterproposal at all.
Spider-man was already a part of those 5 years of planned movies. And obviously they wanted more than the 5%. The idea they didn't want Spider-man anymore at all is ridiculous.
Here's where I got the info about Disney originally waiving the offer of 5% of the gross from Homecoming and Far From Home that Sony extended after the deal was first finalized:
https://screenrant.com/spiderman-marvel-studios-sony-exit-explained/
https://screenrant.com/spiderman-marvel-studios-sony-exit-explained/
^Deadline disagrees. And Variety, Vanity Fair, Forbes... I'm skipping a bunch of lesser known sites here since I don't know their reputations.
Funnily enough, even ScreenRant disagrees with itself: https://screenrant.com/spiderman-marvel-deal-sony-blames-disney/
Funnily enough, even ScreenRant disagrees with itself: https://screenrant.com/spiderman-marvel-deal-sony-blames-disney/
from a business sense why would they want him? It's Sony's biggest IP they have the rights to and they will never give that up.. which means that leaves Disney working their ass off producing movies for another studdio to get nearly the benefits. With Far From Home making a billion, it's like really.. "we make a film for Sony but they get a billion for it, it doesn't even count for us?" Yeaaah..
I don't care how well known the character is.. Feige has plenty of characters to work with.. far far too many. He only is one person and he is not going to produce someone else's films and have those films make billions and not having those billions of dollar's show up in Disney's bank account
^ Disney and Marvel Studio get more than enough profit from Spider-Man merchandise sales - even for Sony's films - and their own licensed use of the character.
They tried to be greedy here, and Sony told them to go pound sand.
They tried to be greedy here, and Sony told them to go pound sand.
It's also a matter of time and logistics. Sony HAS to make a Spidey film within a time limit to keep the rights, and that means that Feige , who is only human has have production of a Spidey film as part of his schedule (which means hiring thousands of people and coordinating schedules) and he has tons of other films he has to make ..
Disney just ended it deliberately by making an offer they knew Sony would refuse so they'd be off the hook
Because the audience loves him and that works for their team-up movies, too, not just his solo movies. Because Feige thinks the character is important for the MCU (and Feige is the guy who built the MCU empire, so he is worth trusting when it comes to creative decisions). Because if they get more than 5%, then there is plenty of money for them to make from his solo movies as well, since the last one just cracked 1 billion. Because it is better for Disney and Marvel to have the Spider-man brand doing well to promote the Spider-man comics (which they get all profit from) and the Spider-man merchandise (which they get all profit from - probably more profit than Sony gets from the movies) and the Spider-man gaming (which they get a significant amount of profit from) and the Spider-man theme park stuff that they're currently in the process of building.
There is absolutely no logical reason for them to not want Spider-man in the MCU. The only issue is whether they will get enough compensation for their work or not.
The logical reason I stated.. Sony has a very short time to make a film in order to keep the rights. they have like three years to make a film or whatever and if they don't the rights revert back. Since they are allowing Disney to basically produce these films and fit them into the MCU that puts a shit ton of pressure on Feige.. and Feige still is making someone ELSE's film.
There were 5 years between Spider-man 3 and ASM. There are less than 5 years between most mcu sequels. And even if Sony demanded a Spider-man movie more often, that's a point to be negotiated, not a reason for Marvel to have zero interest in having Spider-man around.
And Feige is still making an *MCU* film which helps the *MCU* brand, under the terms of a deal voluntarily signed by Disney because they want Spider-man in the MCU. It's not some ridiculous hardship to be rid of.
It was very much a point of pride for Marvel Studios to have access to Spider-Man; they would not just throw that away because Feige "had too much on his plate".
That is Sony's explanation for the breakdown of the partnership, but it doesn't actually hold true from Disney's side.
idk what the gap is.. my understanding is that "the lights have to be on in the production room of the film" within three years in order for sony to keep the rights. So Sony wants to keep the rights, and Marvel is going to bow to THEIR time crunch so THEY get to keep him? WTF
the partnership, such as it was, probably would have been fine if Far From home made 800 million or less.. with it cracking a billion, Disney realized they are making another studio billions of dollars and it's not their movie