You mean a character that was specifically created and written to be an incompetent idiot? I don’t think I want a movie about him.
Anyone open to TOS recast between TMP and TWOK films
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You mean a character that was specifically created and written to be an incompetent idiot? I don’t think I want a movie about him.
It's like Ron Moore or Brannon Braga were trying to figure out how they wanted the Captain to be like, then decided to unwind by putting on Ferris Bueller, then looked at Cameron and thought, "Let's make the Captain like him! The new Enterprise is like the Ferrari!" I can just see this... Then just like Yello, they thought, "Oh Yeah!"
Very similar to me. yes to that 80s Trek movie aesthetic- the red uniforms (maybe with the odd TMP one still about), the movie nacelles, blue transporter beams, photon 'stars', rainbow warp trails, mushroom spacedock, BOPs, (also see the Romulans in that era ), Reliant style ships, 80s hairdos..
set prior to TWOK (or after in the III-VI era) on another ship (Enterprise style) so we'd know the NCC1701 was out there (potential CG deaged cameos of TWOK era Shatner and Co maybe). Captained by a big name Daniel Craig or Cate Blancett. with maybe a familiar movie character like Saavik on the crew (3rd casting)..
or even set on the ENT B some point after Kirks 'death' with a new crew (Harriman took early retirement)
Too soon, imo. I'd wait until 2030 or 2040 honestly.
I think they should take some risks and make an entirely new cast of characters.
I think they should take some risks and make an entirely new cast of characters.
And in four attempts, they only really succeeded once.
Depends how you define success. Yes, Next Gen was light years more popular than DS9, Voyager or ENT. But Jeri Ryan and Robert Picardo are reprising their Voyager characters on The Picard Show, 20 years later. That's pretty amazing.
I can see it being where Quentin Tarantino places his movie into the series. And while a lot of it is a CG cheat, it looks like it uses authentic film-making techniques like model shots and hand-drawn animated FX. As if it came out in a parallel universe 1980s, playing on VHS tape against Enemy Mine, Last Starfighter, Starcrash, Battle Beyond the Stars, cheesy TV episodes with Glen A. Larson's name all over them. Get Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban et all retro'ed up in hairstyle and wardrobe, as if they're middle-aged and just wandered off the set of TJ Hooker! 
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my feeling is QT will either go 60s retro (TOS - which maybe isn't too likely as its already been done x 3 plus most of the cast are approaching TMP age) or late 70s (TMP) or early 80s (TWOK/TSFS) - im hoping its the 80s (it probably will be as the 80s are very 'in' at the moment)I can see it being where Quentin Tarantino places his movie into the series. And while a lot of it is a CG cheat, it looks like it uses authentic film-making techniques like model shots and hand-drawn animated FX. As if it came out in a parallel universe 1980s, playing on VHS tape against Enemy Mine, Last Starfighter, Starcrash, Battle Beyond the Stars, cheesy TV episodes with Glen A. Larson's name all over them. Get Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban et all retro'ed up in hairstyle and wardrobe, as if they're middle-aged and just wandered off the set of TJ Hooker!
That would actually be amazing. So long as we get it in 4K and not blurry VHS-visionI can see it being where Quentin Tarantino places his movie into the series. And while a lot of it is a CG cheat, it looks like it uses authentic film-making techniques like model shots and hand-drawn animated FX. As if it came out in a parallel universe 1980s, playing on VHS tape against Enemy Mine, Last Starfighter, Starcrash, Battle Beyond the Stars, cheesy TV episodes with Glen A. Larson's name all over them. Get Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban et all retro'ed up in hairstyle and wardrobe, as if they're middle-aged and just wandered off the set of TJ Hooker!
And that success failed to translate to the big screen.
I don't get the hype over Tarantino Star Trek film. His previous body of work is grossly out of character for a Star Trek film. Sure it may get some laughs and fights. But I can't see it being a good Star Trek film.
I understand people wanting new characters. But historically, Star Trek takes time to build up characters we genuinely care about. And today's film makers can't seem to do that in a 2 hour film. Hell, the last few films couldn't provide adequate exposition in the films to give us a reason for the antagonists motivation without a prequel comic tie in. I take that back. I think they managed to do that with Beyond. But they left that as a mystery until the very end.
I understand people wanting new characters. But historically, Star Trek takes time to build up characters we genuinely care about. And today's film makers can't seem to do that in a 2 hour film. Hell, the last few films couldn't provide adequate exposition in the films to give us a reason for the antagonists motivation without a prequel comic tie in. I take that back. I think they managed to do that with Beyond. But they left that as a mystery until the very end.
Okay, you managed to sell me this concept.I can see it being where Quentin Tarantino places his movie into the series. And while a lot of it is a CG cheat, it looks like it uses authentic film-making techniques like model shots and hand-drawn animated FX. As if it came out in a parallel universe 1980s, playing on VHS tape against Enemy Mine, Last Starfighter, Starcrash, Battle Beyond the Stars, cheesy TV episodes with Glen A. Larson's name all over them. Get Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban et all retro'ed up in hairstyle and wardrobe, as if they're middle-aged and just wandered off the set of TJ Hooker!
i'm also a huge fan of the TMP-movie aesthetic. Which was why I felt it was a huge mistake to set DSC ten years before TOS when it would have worked so much better post-TUC. The time period between TUC and TNG is a mostly unexplored region that would have benefited from a new series. We could have the monster maroons back and see the technological progression between ships like the TMP Enterprise and the Excelsior through newer ships like the Ambassador class Enterprise-C. But I'm afraid that portion of Trek history will continue to go largely ignored.
But that's just a failure at storytelling. I think modern fast paced franchise movies are just lazy and do not build characters or stories well, they just expect the audiences to go along with it because characters have familiar names. Like how Into Dumbness wanted us to care about deep friendship between Kirk and Spock even though nothing of the sorts was actually established by these actors for those versions of the characters. But everyone knows that Kirk and Spock are BFFs, so it's all cool, amirite? I think not having such a crutch to rely on might actually improve the storytelling.
Looking at the modern media landscape it might be hard to remember, but there actually used to be films that were not based on pre-existing franchises and which managed to introduce hitherto unfamiliar characters, get the audience to care about them and tell a compelling story in the span of roughly two hours. So it is something that can be done.
I got that they were friends immediately. I have friends I bicker and bitch with but care for.
It's like saying Wrath of Khan is shit unless you've watched all 78 episodes of TOS and the first movie beforehand. Because all we get in Wrath of Khan is Spock literally saying out loud that he loves Kirk but doing nothing to really show it except hand over command of the Enterprise.
Great idea. I always wanted a fan film unit to do this, so I would absolutely be interested in an official take on it. Hopefully they would stay mostly true to the proper models and aesthetics, although the TMP look would need some post shakedown tweaks.
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