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Spidey OUT of MCU

Well, if they keep the same cast and director, etc for now I don't really care. I don't think the MCU is all that and a bag of chips.

And Into The Spider-Verse, my favorite superhero movie in quite a few years, was made with no involvement from Disney or Feige.
 
So Sony owns the entirety of this version of the character, including the director and cast? They don't, however, own any of the character's backstory though, because he is a major product of the MCU. His entire emotional arc is tied to Tony Stark, so it's not really the same character without that stuff...
 
crookeddy said:
So Sony owns the entirety of this version of the character, including the director and cast? They don't, however, own any of the character's backstory though, because he is a major product of the MCU. His entire emotional arc is tied to Tony Stark, so it's not really the same character without that stuff...
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It's absolutely the same character. Character is best defined by how someone responds to events and their relationships in the present moment, not by what they remember or by their talk about the past.

Anything that requires writers to rely less on backstory for motivation in a script is a good thing. The most engaging and accessible stories contain all the elements, including motivation, necessary for them to work.

BTW, this is a big part of why origin stories - despite repetitious whining about "why are they doing this again?!?" - are so often successful and the strongest stories for so many characters: done well, the beginnings of character and motivation are laid out within the framework of the story as it unfolds, rather than shoved in as exposition or inserted into the structure as memories (flashbacks).

Will Zendaya be in the next one? Will the rest of the cast of characters return?* What's about to happen with Peter losing his secret identity? With J. Jonah Jameson?

Oh, and that standby of the genre: who's he gonna fight?**

Those are the things that I'm asking about the next Spider-Man movie, not "how will the writers evoke the memory of Tony Stark and will Peter get to play with a lot of cool new Stark Industries toys?"

*We lose Happy, which is a shame. A minor shame.
**I'm all for The Lizard. Lotta potential there if It's Done Well. ;)
 
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It sounds like it was Feige and Rothman not being able to come to an agreement over $$$, not "the lawyers" who were at fault.
 
Serveaux said:
It's absolutely the same character.

Anything that requires writers to rely less on backstory for motivation in a script is a good thing. The most engaging and accessible stories contain all the elements, including motivation, necessary for them to work.

BTW, this is a big part of why origin stories - despite occasional whining about "why are they doing this again?!?" - are so often successful and the strongest stories for so many characters: done well, the beginnings of character and motivation are laid out within the framework of the story as it unfolds, rather than shoved in as exposition or inserted into the structure as memories (flashbacks).

Will Zendaya be in the next one? Will the rest of the cast of characters return (we lose Happy, which is a shame. A minor shame)? What's about to happen with Peter losing his secret identity? With J. Jonah Jameson?

Those are the things that I'm asking about the next Spider-Man movie, not "how will the writers evoke the memory of Tony Stark and will Peter get to play with a lot of cool new Stark Industries toys?"
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This.

I don't need the next Spider Man to be a continuation of Iron Man. I don't need Fury. Or Happy.

Holland has been great. The director has been great. The writing has been great. As long as those components are in place, I'm good.

And I'm sure, at some point, they will come to an agreement again and all will be fine in Nerdom again.

JD said:
It sounds like it was Feige and Rothman not being able to come to an agreement over $$$, not "the lawyers" who were at fault.
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I suspect these things are above Feige's level. This is a Disney thing, not a Marvel thing.
 
You people are stuck in the past. Self contained movies are done. Yanking a character out of his universe makes the character lose everything. It's not the same character at all because it was never about that character in the first place. A single movie is nothing more than an episode in an arc-based TV series now.
 
crookeddy said:
You people are stuck in the past. Self contained movies are done. Yanking a character out of his universe makes the character lose everything. It's not the same character at all because it was never about that character in the first place. A single movie is nothing more than an episode in an arc-based TV series now.
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He's not yanked out of anything.

It'll have the same tone and cast. The general audience won't notice when there are no references to Iron Man. No one is gonna go, "I woulda had a great time, but, Happy wasn't in it at all, so, boo."

A general audience--and that's what it takes to make a billion dollars, won't care.

Edited to add: if Venom can make 800,000,000 dollars world wide not connected to the MCU, imagine what a former member of the MCU like Spider Man could do?
 
crookeddy said:
You people are stuck in the past. Self contained movies are done. Yanking a character out of his universe makes the character lose everything. It's not the same character at all because it was never about that character in the first place. A single movie is nothing more than an episode in an arc-based TV series now.
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I mean, okay, I get that you'll miss seeing a lot of MCU gee-gaws in Spider-Man, but none of that is what's making the current movies successful.

You know what? I'll miss Samuel L. Jackson. A little. I probably missed him more in Once Upon A Time...In Hollywood. :lol:
 
God damn it, exactly what I was afraid of. Now who was it who recently argued with me that there was still one movie left in the deal? :mad:

Professor Zoom said:
Holland has been great. The director has been great. The writing has been great. As long as those components are in place, I'm good.
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Hopefully. (Although Watts is not signed yet for future films.) My biggest worry if the decisions made higher up, you now have different execs who all want their finger in the pie. Rothman for example, is the guy who insisted that all the subplot stuff be stripped out of Daredevil, and feels that the theatrical cut of the film is stronger than the director's cut. So we now have him making creative decisions on the next Spidey, plus (if I'm not mistaken) Avi Arad is back in the picture.

My fingers are crossed, 'cause that's all I can do. :(
 
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