Otherwise benign technology

Discussion in 'Trek Tech' started by Laura Cynthia Chambers, Aug 9, 2019.

  1. Laura Cynthia Chambers

    Laura Cynthia Chambers Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Is that what happened?
     
  2. DonIago

    DonIago Vice Admiral Admiral

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    IIRC, yes.
     
  3. uniderth

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    The more important question is, "How would you repair the plot holes?"
     
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  4. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    Perhaps dispatch the mushroom-eating aliens from DSC?
     
  5. Tim Thomason

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    Could be that higher-than-Warp 7 speeds are unheard of. I'm not saying that the 24th century Alpha powers are the most advanced in galactic history (this is demonstrably not so), but that there is a transwarp or slipstream or spore drive usually utilized by cultures at that stage of development (shortly before transcendence and/or the weird isolationist thing some cultures do).

    Cochrane-style traditional subspace warp drive with dilithium and M/AM at such high speeds was a unique crutch of the era, promulgated by the Federation's failure at research into higher technologies and nearby races just barely keeping up with the UFP. They are causing environmental damage, damage that fades away after centuries/millennia, but something they could experiment and replicate in scientific studies.
     
  6. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    Are other types of warp that travel quicker not technically going faster, but rather taking a shortcut of sorts? Thereby arriving earlier than its traditional counterpart without having to move faster?
     
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    From the CAGE: PIKE: Our time warp, factor seven. So, warp science may involve both time and space concepts. High warp travel may involve a component of reverse time dilation, where more time occurs on ship and less time, or even reverse time, passes in the universe. We see in TOS that large travels backward in time occurs at high warp in strong gravity fields like planets and suns (TNT, YIT, A:E). I have a treknobabble theory about very high warp in the weak gravity field of the galaxy to cause a weak backward time travel component that offsets a portion of normal forward time. For example, if the Enterprise experiences 10 hours of flight time in the ship, but only 5 hours pass on the outside, then to the outside observer, the Enterprise doubled its speed while the speedometer on the Enterprise showed normal speed. :whistle:
     
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  9. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    Drive around them until they become sinkholes.
     
  10. HelenofBorg

    HelenofBorg Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    It is my understanding that the warp drive works by warping space-time so that the starship is travelling through 'folded space' and therefore taking a shortcut made by the warp drive itself. Otherwise even warp one would be impossible. As to whether the warp drive should cause any harm to the space itself, it only ever did in that one TNG episode, but there was something unique about that particular region of space. The issue does not seem to affect any other places.
     
  11. DonIago

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    My understanding was that that area of space was particularly susceptible to the kind of subspace damage caused by warp engines but that space in general was also prone to damage, hence the E-D needing to request authorization to exceed certain warp speeds in subsequent episodes.

    Sort of like how stubbing a toe always sucks, but stubbing a toe you just stubbed is even worse.
     
  12. Ar-Pharazon

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    Could you imagine the entire planet's population wearing tinfoil hats to "keep those waves out"?
     
  13. DonIago

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    Sounds like a good premise for an episode of The Orville.
     
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    In at least one of the novels, warp one was slightly faster than the speed of light. Not by a lot, but the laws of physics still applied and one could not travel at the speed of light. Warp drives got you around the light barrier, but never actually broke it.
     
  15. Qonundrum

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    Or override the "55MPH in space" rule per orders every week, as TNG often ended up doing just that. :\ They really should have done a sequel where they find an ostensibly lost Romulan ship whose navigational sensors didn't go haywire but they're deliberately causing a rift to form. Which isn't terribly exciting and coupled with the stock music from season 7 TNG (the farting frog symphony), it wouldn't be even remotely watchable. Unless Ronald D Moore or Brannon Braga wrote it. They had some great imagination for the show.
     
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    Once again, this is what we do in Michigan. :lol:
     
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    We could use some of those here in my state.