Why didn't Odo think of just sending Kira off in a shuttle back to the station by herself in that episode?
Children of Time
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because he wanted the other Odo to get together with her. He didn't really think about Kira but about his other self in that episode. Odo is a creep.
This is the main reason I could never get behind the Odo/Kira ship. He did way too many things that showed Odo was in it for Odo (and the Founders) and that Kira was a very secondary concern when it came to what was best for her or her feelings. I chalk some of it up to the fact that Odo was very young for his species and genetically driven to long for his own kind plus blatant manipulation by the Female Founder. In the end, none of that made it any less creepy.
As for "Children of Time," it was one of those episodes that felt like it should have been weightier for the characters than it was. They lose 8,000 of their descendants, and it's never even mentioned again? Not even in passing in conversations? That always struck me as weird.
Just as I never understood Keiko's reasoning that since they accidentally pulled Molly from the time portal ten years too late, they couldn't do another try because it would annihilate her miserable latest ten years that turned her into a misfit. I am sure that most victims with PTSD wouldn't mind being turned back to how they were before the traumatic incident! Thus ensued a pointless episode that ended with older Molly being annihilated and her younger self taking her place!!
DS9 doesn't treat time paradoxes any better than the other series as older Molly disappears but everything she's done in the meantime including that stabbed guy remains the same. Effects without a cause???
If you decide erasing a future erased things done by the future person in the past, all time travel that changed the future would immediately destroy the space time continuum with no internally stable sequence of events.
Odo could have suggested that the older version of him leave WITH Kira.
Odo could have suggested that the older version of him leave WITH Kira.
I dunno. If I suddenly found out that I had 8,000 descendants I never knew about, I would slowly back out of the room and try to never think about it again.
Kor
They did remember them on their way back to the station though.
Yeah, or perhaps they all took a sip of Lethe's water... or whatever.
That’s never how time travel has worked in Trek. All actions taken by the time traveler stay intact even if the time traveler was erased.
And Kira certainly didn’t forget what Odo told her.
And Kira certainly didn’t forget what Odo told her.
This. We know they didn't forget because of what Dax and Sisko said to one another, and Kira's memories of what Odo told her persisted all the way up to "Call to Arms" (and beyond) when she finally tells Dax what was bugging her. It's the same problem they've had with a lot of their weightier episodes (like pretty much every O'Brien trauma episode ever.) You never see extended consequences or call-backs. Now that I think about it, probably the only reason it seems somewhat jarring to me is that DS9 is a bit of a hybrid, episodic and occasionally serialized, so I find myself expecting explicit continuity even in the episodic sections. Every Trek I've watched does the same thing. "This was awful and traumatic, and we'll never mention any of it again."
Just because they never mention it again while we're watching, doesn't mean they don't discuss it in the off hours when we're not looking.
Just as it's possible that Sisko and Jadzia sleep together... they just never show it or talk about it on camera.
There was definitely memory. Both Kira and Odo referred to his telling her how he felt about her after this episode.
Basically time travel is another conceit, like warp drive and transporters, albeit one in which our protagonists have less control.
Re Molly O'Brien, I guess they didn't want to rehash the "Dax" episode by having young Molly appear in juvenile court for her older alternate self's actions which she couldn't recall.
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