Children of Time

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  1. Captain59

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    Greetings!

    Are the 8,000 who ceased to exist ever referred to again, either in a later episode or in a book?

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  2. tomalak301

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    The 8,000 were never mentioned again in the series (Not sure about the books) but wasn't Odo's relationship with Kira from this episode mentioned later on?
     
  3. Youngster From The Id

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    Not directly. I think Kira makes some vague mention to Jadzia about that. maybe in Resurrection but I am not absolutely sure.
     
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    But the colony MUST have existed since the Defiant crew remember them (and presumably all scans and recorded data during the visit survived). Must be one of those "an alternate timeline was created" things...
     
  5. Youngster From The Id

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    Not in the Ds9 Universe. Remember that old molly disappeared (presumably into oblivion) when her younger self walked through the "time portal" and then young Molly remembered the old one pretty well. ST physics is a fickle thing, it submits to the laws of plot convenience.
     
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    No doubt there was some kind of "temporal wake" like in Star Trek: First Contact.
    It seems like the question of "why do we remember so and so when they were erased from the timeline" was brought up somewhere else in Trek, but I can't remember the details now.

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    Yeah, older Odo did away with the planet's population for Kira, then forgot about her and almost let her get killed a few episodes later when the female changeling seduced him. But love prevailed in the end. :whistle:
     
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  8. Youngster From The Id

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    Do you mean it could have been in an alternate timeline?;)
     
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    Kinda like Kes who begs Janeway to kill Tuvix so that she can have her Neelix back only to dump him like an old pair of socks a few episodes later.:D
     
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    T'Pol in E². Archer says something like "Or maybe since we never went back in time, our descendants never existed" and she answers "Then why do we remember them?"
    Then Archer says "Lighten up, T'Pol. It's just a TV show"
     
  11. Youngster From The Id

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    The creating a new timeline theory implies that a new universe is created each time, out of nothing I guess, which seems a bit weird. I mean where do that extra matter, energy, and space come from? The there's only one real timeline at a time theory seems less... enigmatic... at least there's no need to create new matter, you just rearrange the old matter a different way. Now could you have a memory of an event that no longer exists? Well, maybe, It's sort of like seeing a star that has in between turned nova. The star no longer exists but you're still seeing it as if it were there. In the case of the timeline, the timeline no longer exists but it has existed at some point. It would be like time having two dimensions, one dimension that we experience every day and the other being the time of the successive timelines.

    Say you built a new kind of probe, a timeline resistant probe so to speak. It would be inside the universe but somehow shielded against timeline changes. The probe could record elements of the different timelines while being unaffected by the change. In the end, it would contain films of the different timelines that no longer exist. Of course, the people who built the probe could also be extinct as well which would be ironic.
     
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    A new or alternate timeline is created, then it is destroyed, in both episodes. The timeline is not an alternate one until after it is destroyed.
     
  13. Youngster From The Id

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    "alternate" is a relative term. If you consider two different timelines, they're both alternates of the other one. It's like the mirror universe of the different series, IE TOS, DS9, ENT... etc. Our universe is in fact the mirror universe of our mirror universe.
     
  14. Kor

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    I think that TNG "Parallels" showed that infinite universes exist in the Trek *ahem* universe. As for new timelines appearing and disappearing, perhaps they somehow always exist and never actually go away on some plain of existence.

    It's space opera. It doesn't have to make perfect sense. :shrug:

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  15. Youngster From The Id

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    True and it's a good thing too because it doesn't. ;)
     
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    In all this discussion of alternate timelines, I didn't really notice the original question. :alienblush:
    Memory Beta says the following:
    Source: https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Children_of_Time

    Kor
     
  17. Captain59

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    Ha ha. Thank you!

    And in reading this very interesting conversation, to me it seems like they do still exist somewhere else. (I don't dare name what that kind of the place is.) I had never considered that. Cool.
     
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    Usually the way Trek time travel works is anything done by the time traveler in the past still happened even though the traveler himself vanishes.

    Future Alexander probably vanished around when Alexander joined the military.
     
  19. Youngster From The Id

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    Except for "Parallels" TNG, where every little variation of every event exists somewhere. So, at least, in that episode, not only would the Children of Time exist but an infinity of versions of them would.
     
  20. Prax

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    But if there was a parallel universe where the children of time existed, the Defiant crew would have lived and died in that planet, in that universe.