@mos6507 - you need to work harder - much harder - at avoiding these kinds of personal comments, or it could be a warning next time
The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?
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A lot of us know that he gave them notes and we don't need sources, there's a very popular interview of him saying he gave them notes for the future.
But it remains a conspiracy theory because the official credits only have exclusivity & the cookie cutter "Based on the original Lucas characters".
Besides, I think it's genuinely unlikely if we're guessing. "Writer-Directors" are VERY uncommon to get any ideas from others. Sure, he might have gotten opinions and advice, but it's unlikely he gave him THE SCRIPT or THE CHARACTER ARCS.
Stop being a naive memester:It's not a conspiracy theory; it's 100% confirmed fact.
https://screenrant.com/force-awakens-concept-art-luke-retcon-last-jedi/
Therefore:
1) The tweets that base the conspiracy theory don't talk about him betraying a student that might turn evil when he didn't abandon the most dangerous person in the galaxy when he was already confirmed evil.
2) The official and exclusive writer is Rian so all responsibility falls on him anyway, officially, even if he had suggestions that were similar. He put his sign on it and declared he is the only writer.
You've been given direct evidence - thrice - that the things you find so objectionable about Luke's character in The Last Jedi and that you believe are so anathema to his character as portrayed in Episodes IV-Vi were conceived of and approved by the person responsible for the overall production of those films, and yet you've decided that anything that doesn't fit your narrowminded viewpoint is a conspiracy theory.
You remind me of the people who will do anything to justify their support of certain political figures of celebrities no matter what the facts are and no matter how said political figures/celebrities behave, and it's rather sad and pathetic.
Instead of screeching that those that oppose your views are the worst people in the galaxy, stop and think for a little what you are suggesting and what you are being told:
a) Nobody told you that Luke being isolated would be terrible (because that's the main "proof" those tweets provide to your conspiracy theory). Obi-Wan was also isolated, but he didn't abandon a youngling that could turn evil when he had already proven a very evil and powerful adult can be redeemed, making that betrayal total nonsense from him to even suggest.
b) Even if the conspiracy theory was true, it's relatively immaterial. Rian signed as the exclusive writer so he took all responsibility for the writing, and The Last Jedi was a terrible rewrite.
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He always claimed that he wanted more to do smaller, more personal, experimental films more than blockbusters, didn't really like making the blockbusters (certainly admitted that in general he preferred editing to writing and directing), but nonetheless kept making blockbuster films rather than smaller films and he eventually stopped making either (at least or especially in the sense of directing them). But post-prequels he still produced IJ4 and Red Tails and, after long saying there wouldn't be any more SW, the story was over, sold the rights and let other people make more sequels and spin-offs which he consulted on, it seems like voluntary semi-retirement.
And I'm done.
You've got a burr so far up your behind on this that you refuse to acknowledge reality (or the fact that being the "sole credited writer" on a project doesn't mean that input from others wasn't used) and therefore have no response to the facts other than to try and twist what I said and continue to "deny, deny, deny" .
Don't forget that the movie isn't only the school story, which is debatable in itself if it made sense too (I think it didn't because he had already very clearly proven even very dangerous and evil people can be redeemed, not just a student that wasn't even yet totally evil):
It's also the scene of their confrontation, where he explicitly gives up on him.
It's also that he concluded (not hastily at all) that jedis suck and should go.
EVEN if he is redeemed from that nonsense, it makes no sense that he would need help from Rey, that he reached that place to begin with. In fact the movie itself fails to do that in its own little universe even if we assumed the starting point was right: Rey supposedly affects Luke for the better but he still gives up on Ben! (did he only become a "Soldier" character now that still hates the jedi? Why is there even a "resistance" then? Should they join the new Empire? What is the point Rian?)
Other dishonorable mentions:
1) Yoda promoting the burning of books, like a true nazi.
2) BEN SOLO'S OWN MOTHER GIVING UP ON HIM
absolute and glorious nonsense.
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He was trying to show not to allow one's actions to be controlled strictly by dogma.
At some point, even the most loving parent will eventually retreat if their child turns into a monster.
Well he did up an murder his own father who had been trying to bring him home and walked fight up to him as a sign of trust.
As for Yoda. Luke had been stating he was going to burn the books and basically told Yoda not to stop him. Than Luke hesitates. Yoda more or less just goes the "do or do not" route and sets the place on fire himself when Luke doesn't. He already knows the books aren't in there. Luke doesn't but that's not the lesson Yoda's teaching. Yoda's teaching Luke that failure can also be a good tool for teaching. Something Luke hadn't gotten, but had managed to teach anyway when he taught Rey.
Both Rey and Han Solo attempt to bring Kylo back over to the Light side in different movies. Kylo rejects them both times with violence. He murders Han, and later Rey get into a final tug of war over Anakin's lightsaber.
Leia and Luke have resigned themselves that Ben Solo is lost forever because, unlike Anakin, Ben seems to have gone into the Dark Side of his own free will. Kylo Ren's issues are that he still had Light Side hangups that he's not gotten over yet (he still can't bring himself to shoot his own mother). Kylo is very unstable emotionally. Luke's trolling got him worked up and then knocked him back down when he found out he was being trolled and the Resistance had escaped while Luke was distracting him and his forces. Kylo's due for a haunting by at least two Skywalkers (Luke and Anakin), who can probably drive the guy insane.
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Personally, I'd say they were closer to space horses or even space llamas than space cows. They don't milk them, they ride them like horses, they race them like horses, and they look more like a horse/llama/giraffe combo than a cow.
And once they were free they had a much better chance of being able to stay free, and not being beaten and abused every day, so I'd say it was worth.
There is nothing in the movie to indicate the horses (you're right, I guess they are more like horses than cows) won't be easily recaptured. Ergo, in the absence of such evidence, we must A) consider what's most likely, and B) look to the real world for guidance. The casino city is rich, so it's most likely they'll be able to recapture the animals they'd previously kept under control.
And, in real-world terms, imagine if a dozen or twenty horses were let loose from a suburban county fair, and set free to graze in a nearby state park. Those horses would have been branded, so they would be recaptured and easily identified, and, if they wandered into a town and threatened people, might well be shot by law enforcement.
So, any way one cuts it, Rose wasted valuable time on a pointless side quest, during which, for all she knew, the Empire was on the verge of catching up to and destroying the Rebel fleet, in which case her sister's sacrifice would have been in vain. She was more interested in temporarily freeing a few space horses than honoring her sister's dying actions.
I'm forced to agree that, given the average tech level shown in the SW universe, it would be a bit surprising if the horses weren't tagged in some manner. Alternately they're so plentiful that there's no reason to tag them, because more can be found with minimal effort.
I don't recall whether freeing them at least served as a useful diversion.
I don't recall whether freeing them at least served as a useful diversion.
TLJ was a rip-off of ESB. It was every bit the rehash that TFA was.
1) No, he's not. He says "That library contains nothing the girl Rey does not already have" because Rey had stolen the books. At the end, you can see them in a drawer on the Falcon.
2) BEN SOLO MURDERED HIS OWN FATHER. I'm not surprised Leia thought he was beyond redemption.
No, not really.
This is not a correct statement.
The only thing that TLJ has in common with TESB is that it's the "darker middle chapter", which comes with some overarching stylistic and structural constraints and expectations.