"ONLY MONEY AND THE BANDWAGON PROVE QUALITY". I'm actually surprised you don't see that's absolute nonsense.
There are more qualities in life than how many people Disney fooled to watch a favorite film by nostalgia-baiting them.
Is The Disney Company a hoarder that destroys our favorite franchises?
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There are more qualities in life than how many people Disney fooled to watch a favorite film by nostalgia-baiting them.
Oh, please. I don't know where you live, but months after TLJ figures were released, they were still several deep on pegs at Walmart, drugstores such as Walgreens and at grocery chains like Kroger, they were not only available, but it was not long before the figures were placed on the clearance/discount table (along with endless numbers of TFA figures, BTW). This was no mirror of the Luke-related figure sales from the Kenner/OT era by any stretch of the imagination.
Who on earth wanted to be Wedge? He was in all three movies for what--5 total minutes, if that? Even a dick like Ozzel had more of an impact on the story (arguably), if only to be a victim!
Odd. I've attended cons in NY, CA and out of the States, and for decades, I've noticed Luke costumes were nearly as easy to see as Batman costumes and TOS / Starfleet uniforms..
Disney never throws away an idea, they just leave it and circle back to it one day.
Sure there is. I'm not out watching all Disney all the time, so yes.
Exactly. His own father was second only to one as the most evil being in the galaxy, and once he accepted Vader was his father, he tried to bring him back to the light, not kill him--even with Palpatine essentially in his ear, trying to goad him into doing it. Yet ST Luke could not handle that and decided "Nope. all is lost with this one. Off with his head!" Ridiculous.
Luke--the OT Luke--had the most natural, believable growth of any character in the SW franchise, the very reason that version remains its defining story representative, and why TLJ is such an on-its-ear deviation from that natural growth.
It's at a point further arguments are pointless. Those who have basic logic know you are wrong.
I guess you'd fall off a cliff too because most people did it.
Personal attacks do not make the argument more correct.
If anything, Luke's portrayal in TLJ was one of my favourite things about that movie, and was one of the only things that showed any type of growth or change in the SW universe since the OT ended. He's like the tie that binds.
Yeah, I did think it was a pretty good effort. I found it to be quite an interesting movie. FWIW, there's a movie based Gregory Maguire's Wicked in the works, but will lean more heavily on the Musical than the book. I think the book series could make for a fairly good TV series.
Hint: if, on your $200m movie, Johnny Depp (or anyone else, for that matter) asks to wear a dead bird on his head, plus large streaks of what is almost certainly white bird shit on his face the whole movie... tell him no.
Your straw man is taking quite a beating!
Disney should listen to you, you sound like you have quite the business acumen! You might be able to save them from their success.
That's an unreasonable expectation for anyone.
Thank you for proving my point. This is all anecdotal evidence, which means we cannot generalize from these findings. Luke is nearly impossible to find for me at the Targets, Wal-Mars, and Fred Meyers in my area.
Friends of mine did. Saw lots of pilots too at cons.
Again, anecdotal. I'm glad you did. As I stated, my next con will be a Luke on Crait costume. But, we cannot generalize all cons from personal experience.
It's just as odd to me as my experience is odd to you.
You realize that's admitting....
Then, your "unreasonable expectation for anyone" applies to the idea that TLJ Luke is not as appealing (as OT Luke) to fans, collectors, et al., which by necessary association applies to the actual film version of the character.
You will dress as ANH Luke, and that's that!
Agree. So, years ago, Luke reached such a low point that he did consider killing Kylo Ren--but he didn't. Critics of Luke in TLJ seem to ignore this in their arguments. He became a recluse, disillusioned from his earlier ideals. That's where we see him at the beginning of TLJ---but he does get his sense of hope back and demonstrates incredible not-seen-previously force powers to save our heroes. His character arc is well done and the best thing in the film, in my opinion. The Last Jedi was a much more satisfying film to me than The Force Awakens. I am hoping the final installment resolves the open plot threads.
No. Expecting sales figures to equal Kenner era is unreasonable. Different markets and different times.
I don't have blonde hair though
I have a beard! And my George Lucas costume fell flat.
I agree with your opinion. I also think that Luke's stand against Kylo on Crait is an amazing scene and the most Jedi thing we have ever seen on screen.
Exactly.
“A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack.”
- Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back
I saw it as him being completely haunted by the legacy of his father and Obi-Wan and a desire to keep it from happening again. Luke has always been one to make rash decisions based purely on emotion. Like leaving his training to save Han and Leia on Bespin or attacking Vader when he threatened to turn Leia to the dark side.
In the moment it was probably all rushing through his head. Anakin becoming Vader, Obi-Wan failing to train him and stop him from causing so much death and suffering, and now how he’s now in the same spot. A brief moment of weakness that damaged everything. But the most important thing is that he learned from this. When he felt something similar in Rey, while initially scared, he did the right thing and continued to train her and make sure the next generation of Jedi didn’t make the same mistakes as him or the ones before him.
It’s what Yoda tells him later.
Yeah, and even in the novels, they had him flirting with darkness, unsure of where he stood, often with moments of indecision. So with that in mind, it's not as if the movie wasn't so far off the mark to begin with. If he hadn't shown any kind of growth, and it would have been unrealistic, you can bet there would be complaints about that too. People can be funny sometimes. They made him a more complex character with moments of introspection. When you're all alone, you have moments to think and he had a lot of time to think. It was plain to see that he really grappled with his outburst and wasn't proud of it. And the way he sacrificed himself was beautiful and bittersweet. It may not have been what people wanted, but I felt it was meaningful and makes more sense within the whole saga.
I guess this TLJ sidebar is supporting the idea that Disney did not ruin Star Wars.
I wanted to add that Hamil's performance in TLJ was hands down his best performance in any Star Wars movie. It was great to see how much he has grown as an actor, apart from seeing him in The Flash a few years back. His tone and facial expressions conveyed the complexity of his inner conflict throughout the movie. And I loved the scene with Yoda toward the end.
I wanted to add that Hamil's performance in TLJ was hands down his best performance in any Star Wars movie. It was great to see how much he has grown as an actor, apart from seeing him in The Flash a few years back. His tone and facial expressions conveyed the complexity of his inner conflict throughout the movie. And I loved the scene with Yoda toward the end.
He was outstanding. Hamill’s acting never got enough credit, he was the one who completely sold Yoda has a real being and not a puppet. Even Frank Oz credits him for that. In TLJ, he sold Luke as a man weighed down by the weight of his legacy, legend and failure. Then he manages to still learn and try to start making a difference. His sacrifice may be the most powerful scene in the franchise. In one move, he manages to save the Resistance, inspire the entire galaxy to stand up to the First Order, and show the First Order that their new Emperor is weak and really only in charge due to his powers.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Rise of Skywalker shows Hux constantly trying to undermine and backstab Kylo, especially since he now knows his weakness is his past and family. I’m hoping the stories of Luke returning and how one man stood up to AT-ATs and Kylo-Ren without getting dirty leads to a much larger Resistance ready to fight back.
Luke took the legend that has weighed him down and made him doubt himself and made it into a symbol to inspire.
A larger company generally purchases smaller ones as investments.
Or rehashes can be used as a medium point between fans who want to leave or to reassure them. Yes, ideally we'd never see a rehash. However, and this goes back decades, rehashes happen all the time.
Teal/orange palette, movie teasers having the identical structure to alter emotional response on cue - generally in tandem with the movie's genre (esp. thriller or action)... doesn't mean it is 100% suckage at some point but templates do change after x number of years. And to be fair, older movies (and TV) often do put in a palette, not dissimilar to teal/orange as the primary or predominant colors, except there was no digital revolution to make things so distinctly teal/orange. Or whatever duo is needed (e.g. anything Borg prior to 2019 is a sickly green and yellow palette. If the Borg existed in 1967, it'd be as many colors as those groovy hippie lamps would spin out, complete with go-go dancers.)
But... but... everyone was harping for decades about Star Wars' 9 or 12 episode saga. Did the prequels ruin the franchise first? (The prequels also prove that smooth CGI is worthless if it's all excessive visual vomit with no refined, robust story to carry the puke with.)
X-Men completely sucked after X3. X2 was the best, but III with its rock solid ideas would have been made better by Singer. Shame he left, he knew X-Men far better than Superman.
At least X3 had some good ideas and didn't rely on cheap gimmicks like the time travel shtick...Orville is based on Trek (a mix of TOS, TNG, and loosely Family Guy) but is more innovating than outright ripping off. Unless season 3 really does wonders with the episodes it will get, it will be the last. Which means season 3 cannot continue the filler episodes like cellphone episode and pee-pee outing, even if they had their strengths (and TNG, for example, never thought of doing the B-plot that peepee episode did... but then no kid in the 24th century would be such a snit?) But the show was doing so much with the Kaylon, Krill, and Moclans that they got hard-squeezed to make room for the filler fluff.
Works for the nostalgia but I'm not sure what's wrong with the original.
Still, at one point all people did was remake Shakespeare's stuff and even in the 1970s remakes were being done. Not as often... but the remakes generally brought in something new enough. Still, if a remake doesn't have the same plot depth or handling as the original (1983 V > 2009 V by far and on every level except how pretty it looks... that's a prime example of where making something new but influenced by something older (just as how 1983's V was) helps...)
Unless something is done majorly wrong, at which point bring in the good ol' fashioned "blame and attack the fans" then watch the circle turn incessantly until later articles come out proving the fans who were attacked were right all along...
Again, 2009 V is the perfect example of this. And what not to do. They copied loose elements but not the depth or uniqueness, or even managing to see the concept of a massive, unstoppable force that had a feel of authenticity, not magic gardens and ships whose hulls double as big TV sets and the magic ball whipping out needle weapons... etc...
Script writing isn't easy even on the best of days. It reminds me of the 1970s during another lull with the movies and shows made. Eventually there will be another creative spark and mix of elements that in effect make something new. Likely not just as many. Until then, reboots are just going to be.
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