Is The Disney Company a hoarder that destroys our favorite franchises?

[TREK_GOD_1]

No. Expecting sales figures to equal Kenner era is unreasonable. Different markets and different times.

I don't have blonde hair though

Wig. Do it!

I have a beard! And my George Lucas costume fell flat.

...…………..

I agree with your opinion. I also think that Luke's stand against Kylo on Crait is an amazing scene and the most Jedi thing we have ever seen on screen.

The most Jedi-like behavior I recall: Luke trying to turn Vader (Endor conversation), throwing away his lightsaber (Death Star 2), Obi-Wan allowing Vader to cut him down and possibly Jinn meditating instead of being an impatient, feral thing like Maul.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Or maybe people just don't buy action figures at the grocery store? Don't forget, Amazon is a thing now.

People still seek / buy at the brick and mortars, and for popular toys, it prevents them from being ripped off by private stores and/or scalpers on eBay.

Wedge is the only person to survive both Death Star attacks. He literally fires one of the shots that destroys the second Death Star. Wedge is awesome.

Well to be clear, he only survived the Yavin/DS battle because Luke told him to bail out of the trench run....

 

[fireproof78]

The most Jedi-like behavior I recall: Luke trying to turn Vader (Endor conversation), throwing away his lightsaber (Death Star 2), Obi-Wan allowing Vader to cut him down and possibly Jinn meditating instead of being an impatient, feral thing like Maul.

Obi-Wan is a close second for me. But, "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense; never for attack." Luke doesn't take a single life and preserves several in the process. That's the Jedi way.

 

[Relayer1]

Or maybe people just don't buy action figures at the grocery store?

Well they certainly but then at the comic store I work at. More so than comics it seems.

I never had any interest in figures, toys, merchandise and collectibles, even when Star Wars changed my life in 1977 - I just don't get it. Books, comics etc. certainly, but...each to their own I suppose.

Don't get me started on Pop Vinyls.

 

[suarezguy]

The most Jedi-like behavior I recall: Luke trying to turn Vader (Endor conversation), throwing away his lightsaber (Death Star 2)

RotJ presented the Jedi ideal as being much more pacifistic than anything else in I-V, I think it very much was the pretty-inconsistent outlier.

Luke doesn't take a single life and preserves several in the process. That's the Jedi way.

In trying to save Vader he did endangered his friends and their mission.

 

[Sci-fi fan]

Billions and billions of dollars of revenue suggest they aren’t destroying anything but your preconceived notions.

So if others fall of a cliff, will you follow them. That's not a very smart choice.

 

[Sci-fi fan]

I don't think I'd say they own the majority of them.
Looking at the SFF movies in the Top 10 at the Box Office from 2014-today, there are quite a few not owned by Disney:

2014
Transformers: Age of Extinction
The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies
The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1
Interstellar

2015
Jurrasic World
Minions
Spectre
Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol
(OK I guess it could be argued Bond and Mission: Impossible aren't really sci-fi, but I think both feature enough crazy technology to qualify)
The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 2

2016
Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them
Suicide Squad

2017
Despicable Me 3
Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle
Wolf Warrior 2
Wonder Woman

2018
Jurrasic World: Fallen Kingdom
Aquaman
Venom (OK, this is a bit more complicated since it's a Marvel property, but the movie is produced by Sony)
Mission: Impossible - Fallout
Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindlewald

2019 so far
The Wandering Earth
How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World
Pokemon: Detective Pikachu

That's just in movies, there are a lot of popular SFF TV shows not produced by Disney, and if we go into books and comics then both have hundreds or thousands of popular properties not own by Disney.

Well, the fact you tried to debunk me and you only found 3, (THREE!) movies for the entire 2019 so far, it means the situation is generally dangerous.
Unfortunately, I think the American government relatively promotes it. It's similar with AMD, NVIDIA and Intel on PCs.

(If all the "competitors" are American, it's very hard to use antitrust laws because it might hurt them against foreigners. If Disney was chinese, I'd expect Trump to be screeching about them yesterday).

 

[theenglish]

RotJ presented the Jedi ideal as being much more pacifistic than anything else in I-V, I think it very much was the pretty-inconsistent outlier.

Throughout the OT the pacifist nature of the Force is repeatedly mentioned. By Obi-Wan in A New Hope, and throughout ESB both on Dagobah and Bespin. Luke was supposed to kill Vader, not out of anger but out of necessity. He surpassed his mentors when he was able to find a third way by reaching out and finding the good that he knew was still there.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Avengers: Endgame was a damned good movie, and an impressive achievement.

But, it will never have the status in people's imaginations Dark Knight has. Because it was a risk, and Disney doesn't take risks. They do the non-risky thing really, really well.

 

[BillJ]

So if others fall of a cliff, will you follow them. That's not a very smart choice.

Or it shows that lots of people are entertained by the films. Which is supposed to be the whole point of taking a break from the world and going to the movie theater.

I mean, I don't see the point in a hundred Marvel movies and TV shows, they bore me to tears, yet there is obviously something "there" as lots of people spend their time and money on the franchise. Sometimes something just isn't for me. Life goes on.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Avengers: Endgame was a damned good movie, and an impressive achievement.

But, it will never have the status in people's imaginations Dark Knight has. Because it was a risk, and Disney doesn't take risks. They do the non-risky thing really, really well.

Endgame itself may not have been a risk but the build-up to it was, or rather at least Phase 1 leading up to The Avengers was a risk. Not only had no studio deliberately developed a multii-film crossover event before, they put it on the shoulders of an actor who was in the early stages of rehabilitating his career (and his life) after dealing with a major drug problem. If that's not a risk, I don't know what is.

 

[fireproof78]

Endgame itself may not have been a risk but the build-up to it was, or rather at least Phase 1 leading up to The Avengers was a risk. Not only had no studio deliberately developed a multii-film crossover event before, they put it on the shoulders of an actor who was in the early stages of rehabilitating his career (and his life) after dealing with a major drug problem. If that's not a risk, I don't know what is.

Exactly. That's playing a long game for Disney.

 

[Gov Kodos]

So if others fall of a cliff, will you follow them. That's not a very smart choice.

Your position amounts to folks should stop liking what you don't like.

 

[nutshell]

So if others fall of a cliff, will you follow them. That's not a very smart choice.

Eyeroll. No one is falling off a cliff. You don’t like their movies. That’s fine. I don’t care.

 

[Awesome Possum]

RotJ presented the Jedi ideal as being much more pacifistic than anything else in I-V, I think it very much was the pretty-inconsistent outlier.

No, it’s pretty consistent.

Yoda: Yes, run! Yes, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware of the dark side. Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan's apprentice.

Luke: Vader... Is the dark side stronger?

Yoda: No, no, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive.

Luke: But how am I to know the good side from the bad?

Yoda: You will know... when you are calm, at peace, passive. A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, NEVER for attack.

Luke: But tell my why I can't...

Yoda: No, no! There is no "why".

 

[JD]

Well, the fact you tried to debunk me and you only found 3, (THREE!) movies for the entire 2019 so far, it means the situation is generally dangerous.
Unfortunately, I think the American government relatively promotes it. It's similar with AMD, NVIDIA and Intel on PCs.

(If all the "competitors" are American, it's very hard to use antitrust laws because it might hurt them against foreigners. If Disney was chinese, I'd expect Trump to be screeching about them yesterday).

What about all of the TV, video game, book, and comic franchises Disney doesn't own?
You never specificied movies, and movies are a fairly small part of over all pop culture and SFF. If you really want to go for stuff that takes more chances, TV, comics, and books are the places to get that. Honestly, in the last couple years, most of the biggest truly shocking, unexpected moments for me, have been on TV. That is the place to go if you are really looking for deeper stories, at this point movie are focused on the spectacle more than anything.
There are a few franchises, like IMO Marvel and Star Wars, that still manage to put good characters and stories in their, but the even they have big crazy effect sequences that are pretty much a requirement of modern day blockbusters.
At this point they are putting so much money into the movies, that there is no way they are going to take a chance on not getting that money back. The few times they have tried to do something different it's been a flop, so the current state of the movie landscape is really our fault, not the companies producing the movie. If you're really that upset by what Disney is doing, then the best way to get it to stop would be to stop seeing their movies, and to try to get as many other people as many people as you can to stop too.

 

[Campe]

If you're really that upset by what Disney is doing, then the best way to get it to stop would be to stop seeing their movies, and to try to get as many other people as many people as you can to stop too.

I think this is what the poster in question is attempting to do.

 

[BillJ]

I think this is what the poster in question is attempting to do.

Insulting people with a different viewpoint is a poor way to make it happen.

 

[Campe]

Insulting people with a different viewpoint is a poor way to make it happen.

Well, I did say “attempting.”

 

[suarezguy]

If you're really that upset by what Disney is doing, then the best way to get it to stop would be to stop seeing their movies, and to try to get as many other people as many people as you can to stop too.

Yes that's the best way. It seems like this thread was an attempt to get others to do that.