Or its the other way around? Something like "someone is crazy if they take a movie this seriously..."
The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?
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Or its the other way around? Something like "someone is crazy if they take a movie this seriously..."
That's offensive to people who struggle with clinical disorders.
Also, been a fan since 89. Wasn't trolled.
You mean the guy who thought it was a great idea that kid Darth Vader build C-3PO? That George Lucas?
You mean the guy who thought it was a great idea that kid Darth Vader build C-3PO? That George Lucas?
There's nothing narratively wrong with Anakin/Darth Vader having been Threepio's "Maker".
It reeks of small universe syndrome, something I personally hate. YMMV.
It has its good moments but for me it has some very silly moments. Spaceships running out of gas and slowing down. Massive amounts of time spent on the rich planet for reasons that never seem quite clear. Pointless iconoclast writing. ruining characters without making their replacements compelling enough to give a damn.
Disney Aerospace: here is a bazillion dollars. Build us a jet plane. Make sure it is enough like the jet planes we've had in the past that the systems are compatable and that fliers will fill comfortable in it. We've been giving a bit of leeway with the MCU jet planes, so we're going to trust you with a lot of leeway.
(time passes)
Rian Johnson: I made a rocket powered hot air balloon. It is good. you will like it.
Disney: we asked for a jet plane. Also, you didn't alienate Mark hamill did you? He was feeling a bit alienated from his treatment on the previous film.
Rian Johnson: I turned his character into a book burning crank that obsessed with fresh manatee milk and also he tried to kill his nephew and made him evil. I could have just slapped the actor and vomited in his face but this is art.
Disney: do we have time to redo this?
Rian Johnson: I am overturning all the old dogmas. I am good. you will like me.
Disney:It's got Star Wars on it, it will make money, anyway. but if we give you ANOTHER star wars movie, don't do it again ok?
Disney Aerospace: here is a bazillion dollars. Build us a jet plane. Make sure it is enough like the jet planes we've had in the past that the systems are compatable and that fliers will fill comfortable in it. We've been giving a bit of leeway with the MCU jet planes, so we're going to trust you with a lot of leeway.
(time passes)
Rian Johnson: I made a rocket powered hot air balloon. It is good. you will like it.
Disney: we asked for a jet plane. Also, you didn't alienate Mark hamill did you? He was feeling a bit alienated from his treatment on the previous film.
Rian Johnson: I turned his character into a book burning crank that obsessed with fresh manatee milk and also he tried to kill his nephew and made him evil. I could have just slapped the actor and vomited in his face but this is art.
Disney: do we have time to redo this?
Rian Johnson: I am overturning all the old dogmas. I am good. you will like me.
Disney:It's got Star Wars on it, it will make money, anyway. but if we give you ANOTHER star wars movie, don't do it again ok?
I'm not sure I'm seeing the problem? I see a Luke Skywalker who nearly made a great mistake, seeing the galaxy as better off without his presence. He is a human being, or the Star Wars-equivalent, he is going to make mistakes. And sometimes those mistakes can be life-altering considering the power that he wields.
The Canto Bight stuff needed some serious rewrites. It felt disconnected from the rest of the film.
Exactly.
The Last Jedi is not perfect. But name one movie that is? You can't because they're made by humans.
More than anything else, the reason the movie is as divisive is because some are not happy with the fact that Luke took a different turn than they would have preferred. That's what this comes down to. That's okay. (I don't like that Rogue One decided to take away what was considered canon under Lucas' watch of the Radio Drama and that tale of how the Rebels got the plans. I think the movie has a lot more problems than that, but it is what it is. And ultimately, it doesn't affect my life outside of the thought that I probably am not going to jump towards Rogue One when I want to rewatch a Star Wars movie.)
Some fans seem to either want a Luke who hasn't changed in the time since the end of Return of the Jedi, which is completely unrealistic, or have Luke be an all-powerful wizard who could have simply stuck his hand down and stopped the First Order right there, which is kinda boring. Like it or hate it, what Johnson chose to do is to make Luke a more interesting character. He has flaws. He's failed in what he was tasked with, restarting the Jedi Order. His arrogance, his vanity has brought him and the galaxy to this point.
Its not out of character for Luke or the Skywalker men to be emotional and not use the Force. Its a character flaw that we see through Anakin, Luke and Ben. I consider myself and my emotions. I admit, there are times I get angry and when I look at how I get angry, I see what I saw in my father growing up. Is that learned behavior or is it passed down? I think there can be an argument for both. And I hope that its not something that I pass down to my son. I mean, think about how Anakin's emotions really played a huge part in his downfall, how Luke's anger almost got him killed both on Bespin and in the Emperor's Throne Room, and Kylo Ren has certainly inherited those traits.
So, why is it so hard to believe that Luke wouldn't try to fix his mistakes by giving into his anger? It is more than seen in his character. And his lineage.
More than anything else, the reason the movie is as divisive is because some are not happy with the fact that Luke took a different turn than they would have preferred. That's what this comes down to. That's okay. (I don't like that Rogue One decided to take away what was considered canon under Lucas' watch of the Radio Drama and that tale of how the Rebels got the plans. I think the movie has a lot more problems than that, but it is what it is. And ultimately, it doesn't affect my life outside of the thought that I probably am not going to jump towards Rogue One when I want to rewatch a Star Wars movie.)
Some fans seem to either want a Luke who hasn't changed in the time since the end of Return of the Jedi, which is completely unrealistic, or have Luke be an all-powerful wizard who could have simply stuck his hand down and stopped the First Order right there, which is kinda boring. Like it or hate it, what Johnson chose to do is to make Luke a more interesting character. He has flaws. He's failed in what he was tasked with, restarting the Jedi Order. His arrogance, his vanity has brought him and the galaxy to this point.
Its not out of character for Luke or the Skywalker men to be emotional and not use the Force. Its a character flaw that we see through Anakin, Luke and Ben. I consider myself and my emotions. I admit, there are times I get angry and when I look at how I get angry, I see what I saw in my father growing up. Is that learned behavior or is it passed down? I think there can be an argument for both. And I hope that its not something that I pass down to my son. I mean, think about how Anakin's emotions really played a huge part in his downfall, how Luke's anger almost got him killed both on Bespin and in the Emperor's Throne Room, and Kylo Ren has certainly inherited those traits.
So, why is it so hard to believe that Luke wouldn't try to fix his mistakes by giving into his anger? It is more than seen in his character. And his lineage.
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Your arrogance is unwarranted because you wrote absolute nonsense: The entire point is that Luke HAS ALREADY REACHED A POINT THAT HE HAS PROVEN EVEN THE MOST EVIL PERSON CAN BE REDEEMED and you practically make a strawman argument by saying "LALALALALA, HE WASN'T LIKE THAT IN THE PAST".
Who told you he was like that in that past? Hell, he didn't even want to leave his village at first.
The point is it's absolute nonsense to give up on Ben Solo when it was now easy to help.
Dude, you really need to calm down.
ETA: I'm not being arrogant. You keep jumping to arrogance and hypocrisy coming from myself and other posters when there is none to be had. We're having a debate. And just because my viewpoint on the movie doesn't match yours does not mean that its nonsensical. Maybe you should learn to accept that not everyone is going to accept your viewpoint all the time. I don't agree with yours but I accept its there. Maybe you should do the same. Or you can continue to shout at me and others who you disagree with. The choice is yours.
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It's not only about the school, which is already nonsense. It continues further by giving up on him, explicitly, when he later confronts him.
You are ignored because you parrot a conspiracy theory. The official writer of the movie is Rian exclusively.
Every single Star Wars "thing" has "based on Lucas characters" stapled on it for advertising purposes.
Oh, do tell about the conspiracy theory, please.
Ask him, supposedly the official writer of the last jedi is a lie and someone else wrote it according to him.
Luke gives Ben every opportunity. But, Ben refuses. So, Luke saves the lives he can.
Anakin not only refused, he even tried to push him to the opposite direction.
In fact, the nonsense is clearer when Ben is not even as evil as Anakin was!
There is evidence to suggest that George Lucas actually did work on the sequel trilogy prior to selling Lucasfilm to Disney. Part of this does include the basic outline of the story which has a young woman (named Kira) seeking out Luke Skywalker who struggles "with his failure to stop the Jedi Killer (renamed "Kylo Ren") from destroying his Jedi Academy. " That sounds fairly familiar, don't you think?
Source: Den of Geek
I was damn clear - I want well-written characters. If a character has spent their entire life in a military, they should be mentally hard-wired to not openly flout rules. For Rian Johnson to have two military characters as park willy-nilly on a beach is sloppy and bad writing, plain and simple. (To be fair, Finn doesn't think, act, or talk anything like a grunt in TFA, either, but that just makes both scripts garbage in his respect.)
Why? Why should she or anyone in the audience believe that the cows wouldn't be easily rounded up the next day, and returned to captivity, or worse? Occam's Razor strongly suggests that they would be. Sloppy writing.