I'd like that.I suppose there might be one.
I’d love if they transition to the Odyssey uniforms in later seasons.
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Facts would be cool. So would an actual statement from Fuller, rather than from the director of *checks notes* Agent Cody Banks.
I mean, seriously -- this whole idea that a series pitch is done under work-for-hire and that's why CBS supposedly doesn't give him credit sounds pretty fishy to me. By that logic, no one who's created any series would ever be credited for it, or get residuals for their work.
If this show were taken partly from an alleged pitch from Fuller, it would make way more sense for CBS to give Fuller partial credit next to Beyer (who has always been publicly identified as the person whose idea PIC first was) and (presumably) Kurtzman. Fuller has an existing fanbase; giving him credit (and a check) wouldn't break the bank and would avoid potential bad press, and would avoid the possibility of a nasty lawsuit and attack from the WGA.
Also, Jeri Ryan has not identified Fuller as the person who pitched the show to her, and is wealthy enough that it's not like she'd need the money and therefore want to avoid pissing CBS off.
Nothing about this allegation makes sense.
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After listening to the rest of that YouTube video, the allegation doesn't even sound meritorious on its face.
The alleged Fuller pitch's primary conflict is about people being pissed that Captain Data used Borg technology to beam mass numbers of people off of Romulus before it exploded, and Picard having to come and save Data's ass.
The trailer for PIC, on the other hand, makes it clear that the central plot conflict has something to do with a mysterious young woman who needs Picard's protection from an unknown threat.
There are a few points of similarity, but they're so broad as to strike me as meaningless:
- Picard as an elderly man
- Data being present in some form
- The Romulans being present
- The Borg being present
Sir Patrick Stewart's age and the amount of time it's been since NEM was released means it's inevitable that the show will feature an elderly Picard. Data would always be present in some form or other, because he's one of Picard's most important relationships and his (Picard's) failure to save Data in NEM would necessarily haunt him. (My pet theory is that the Data we will see in PIC is actually a dream or hallucination, not the real McCoy.) Picard's assimilation by the Borg was the central trauma of his life, and the Borg's status post-VOY "Endgame" is a huge open question. And the Romulans were both major players in the last entry where we ever saw Picard, and the last entry where we saw the 24th Century from Spock Prime's memories in ST09.
It seems to me that almost any writer, given the brief of "Picard revival series," would come up with a premise that in some manner uses these four elements.
Definitely skeptical that PIC came from a pitch from Fuller.
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Bullcrap.
Yes. Because there was a certain amount of truth: an over-eager producer DID told John Eaves to design the Enterprise for DIS "different", which for Hollywood people "25%" is a good rule of thumb. Because of licensing issues.
....toy licenses! Merchandise. Secondary stuff.
Because now, when Eaglemoss wants to make a model of the Disco-Enterprise, they have to pay an additional license fee (even though they already have the license for models of Matt Jeffries original designs). Star Trek Online uses the Disco-enterprise in its "Disco"-package, not the TOS one. And whenever the Dosco-Prise appears in a ship's of the live calendar, a penny goes up this DIS producer, and not Matt Jeffries estate anymore.
Of course CBS owns all props of Star Trek!
If it were at least the director. He was a secondary producer on Agent Cody Banks. What the guy did, was to make "Free Enterprise".
As with all good rumours and conspiracy theories - this one sounds not impossible. Fuller might actually have felt like they were ripping him off. I don't think he's happy with CBS currently. Even if the only things in common were *takes look at your notes - the Borg and Romulans. On a Picard show. Sigh. But then again - this is the guy that thought "Klingon war", "Mirror universe" and "main character grown up on Vulcan" were original concepts...
Also, Midnight's Edge is being pro-Fuller now? What? Literally everything I don't like about DIS - from the complete, stupid Klingon and Federation re-design, the stupid war concept, and Burnhams ridiculous backstory all come directly from him! Even the good stuff (like Saru) looks more like an accident, if you look at his original designs, Saru would have been a crappy mask, not a character.
Really? I get pages of results.
Eaglemoss does not have the license to use any of the
And Star Trek Online was told specifically by CBS NOT to use any of the extra ship designs from the Original Trek Tech Manual. (per the DEV's themselves)
The
(obviously, it's a matter of large sums of money and neither is willing to budge)
Case in point:
When the design of the Federation Logo first used in Season 1 of DISCOVERY had to be altered, because it looked too much like the one Jefferies created for the Tech Manual.
MY BAD....
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Maybe ones that had the actual trailer playing in the video.
But of the youtubers I follow that did videos, none of theirs have been taken down.
You're confusing Jefferies and Franz Joseph.
Also that Tech Manual inspired UFP logo appeared again in Season 2, so either someone didn't get the memo, or CBS settled that issue with the logo between the seasons.
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As @Tuskin38 pointed out, it's Franz Joseph who created the designs of the dreadnought, Saladin/Hermes destroyer/scout, and Ptolemy tug, not Matt Jefferies. Although Doug Drexler made a CGI model of the Ptolemy tug for one of the SOTL calendars, so I'm not sure about where things are at this point with that.
Might be because the the art is commissioned, and not made by CBS? Maybe Drexler has connections. Who knows. That is an interesting situation.
Looks like Robert Meyer Burnett was personally given the treatment that Fuller wrote for CBS. He read from it on his YouTube channel and hinted that Fuller will be contacting the WGA in the near future. Seems like CBS liked Fuller’s ideas but they didn’t want to deal with him so they replaced him with a hack that they could control in Alex Kurtzman.
The Guy is going by the Trailer, not the episode. Fuller pitch take place before Spock and Nero go back in time. Picard series, take place, I think 12 years after.
Yeah, no.
And even if there was enough that Fuller can cry foul, WGA certainly has channels to settle this sort of thing far short of a lawsuit. IIRC, Fuller decided to leave (perhaps after some gentle encouragement from CBS?) because DIS was taking too much time away from American Gods and his other projects.
RMB is great with Fan Films, but considering how long he stayed with the Axanar dumpster fire before finally leaving, I'd take anything he says with a huge grain of salt.
Kurtzman seems pretty confident in developing the franchise the way he sees fit; of course CBS is paying for it so the studio execs would have to approve anything costing money, such as, just to bring you one example, entrusting him with a ~$180* million TV show with A List actors as well as Star Trek alumni designed to bolster the CBSAA platform.
In addition to the animated series currently in development and a potential third live action show.
I'd imagine anything that borrows from Countdown will have royalties paid.
*Estimated cost of $6 mil per episode, over 3 seasons.
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I would've expected a dedicated "episode" lasting more than 14 minutes, but here it is. I think Mike and Rich pretty much matched my feelings on the trailer and look of the show.
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