Agents of SHIELD: Season 6

[David cgc]

It sounds like if the Sarge/Pachakutiq personality is destroyed or driven from its body, we'll be left with a spare Coulson with memories from just before dumb!Fitz and Simmons' wedding. Very Butch Cassidy. Who'd expect someone to bring back a dead character using (almost) the same trick twice? I don't see Pachakutiq having much foundation as an ongoing character since it seems like all it's got it "nostalgic because of Coulson's memories."

 

[SolarisOne]

we'll be left with a spare Coulson with memories from just before dumb!Fitz and Simmons' wedding.

Either that or they'll kill off the last vestige of Coulson once and for all. I don't put it past them.

 

[Reverend]

So she escaped from a fear dimension...like the one they blew a hole into last season when the three monoliths were destroyed? I'm sure that's totally a coincidence...
So far my theory that Sarge might have been "created" when Coulson got too close to that thing seems to be holding up (the time discrepancy isn't much of a problem given the white monolith was part of that whole thing.)

Ahhhh.....smug mode.

It sounds like if the Sarge/Pachakutiq personality is destroyed or driven from its body, we'll be left with a spare Coulson with memories from just before dumb!Fitz and Simmons' wedding. Very Butch Cassidy. Who'd expect someone to bring back a dead character using (almost) the same trick twice? I don't see Pachakutiq having much foundation as an ongoing character since it seems like all it's got it "nostalgic because of Coulson's memories."

I like to think that it's a testament to Coulson's unwavering sense of purpose and utter refusal to give up that Sarge has been going this long and still won't snap out of it. Atwisted reflection of Coulson to be sure, but an accurate one.

Either that or they'll kill off the last vestige of Coulson once and for all. I don't put it past them.

Me either, but we know there's a season 7 and do we really think they'll do a whole season without Gregg in some form or another? I mean they can't bring him back from the dead a *third* time.

 

[Ovation]

do we really think they'll do a whole season without Gregg in some form or another? I mean they can't bring him back from the dead a *third* time.

Why not? Don’t things usually get easier with practice?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Damn, damn, damn. I was all excited about being wrong about Davis dying and Izel was merely body-jumping...and then she killed him properly in the worst way.

What she did to Piper was pretty cringe-worthy, too, although it was very weird that she walked it off like it was just a flesh wound with a Deke-wrapped bandage.

Kudos to Reverend for calling it a few weeks back that Sarge was created by the monoliths and the "fear dimension" as well as tying it in with Ghost Rider. I'm glad that was the explanation they went for and I'm thrilled by the possibility that we'll get to see Ghost Rider again soon.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

With The Orville's third season not debuting until the end of next year, perhaps that'll give Adrianne Palicki enough time to show up for an episode or two for this show's final season?

 

[JD]

Wow, that was a great episode.
The stuff after they figured out Izel was body jumping was really well done. The actors all did a great job changing their body language and how they talked when she jumped into them. The part with her jumping from person to person going up the stairs was pretty impressive.
Damn, that was a hell of a way to see Davis go. I'm disappointed too, because I really liked him.
Just before Davis died, I was thinking it would be cool if they kept him and Piper around, and promoted their actors to regulars next season.
The big reveal for Sarge was not quite what I expected. Connecting him to the Monoliths and all of that was a nice way of tying everything together.
I just want to give @Reverend another shout out for actually getting really close.
So I guess once they get Pachakutiq out of his body they'll be able to bring back Coulson.

 

[Reverend]

Honestly, this is actually one of the things I really like about how mysteries on AoS are constructed.
The writers play fair with the audience and allow them the chance to figure it out on their own, where so many other shows will just jerk the audience around with false clues, plots that go nowhere and a wall of red herrings, or worse, not actually know what the answer is and just make shit up on the fly.

For example, even back in season 1 a lot of us suspected "Skye" might secretly be a known character from the comics as soon as it was implied that her parents were some kind of villains. It didn't take much research for a lot of us to mark Quake's name very high in the list of suspects, and while they could have played it much closer to the chest they kept dropping hints. As soon as I heard 'A Bicycle Built For Two' playing in that dream sequence (a full episode before her transformation) that pretty much cinched it for me.

 

[SolarisOne]

So I guess once they get Pachakutiq out of his body they'll be able to bring back Coulson.

Somehow, I doubt it will be as neat as all that.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Somehow, I doubt it will be as neat as all that.

And I hope it's not as neat as all that. Gregg said part of the appeal of returning after Coulson's second death was how his return felt genuinely unique and I doubt he would say that if by the end of the season he was back to "normal" Coulson.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Well....

I wonder if Coulson was duplicated and thrown into the past and lost his memory, which will be restored by the end of the story, effectively bringing back the real Coulson but with the added baggage of a hundred years worth of guilty conscience for all the killing. Sigh.

Uh oh. I think I also made an offhand comment about there being a Monolith of Evil Twins at some point. Just joking, guys! I was kind of hoping there was going to be some twistier twist than that.

And Punky really can possess people-- by physically inhabiting them. That was a little more than I expected, and she certainly turned out to be ruthless. Piper's going to be out on disability for a while, and her friend is not going home to his wife and kid. And Mack must have a monster headache.

So let me see if I have this straight: Punky and Sarge come from a dimension where the life forms don't have physical bodies, but would like to have them for some reason, even though this would be totally alien to their nature, and the Shrike are portals or vehicles that they use to move to our dimension. The idea of non-corporeal beings who lust after our fleshy shells seems a bit too 1950s Astonishing Tales for SHIELD.

 

[Jayson1]

And I hope it's not as neat as all that. Gregg said part of the appeal of returning after Coulson's second death was how his return felt genuinely unique and I doubt he would say that if by the end of the season he was back to "normal" Coulson.

I think we could see a return of normal Coulson since next season is final season. Jason

 

[Reverend]

If Gregg stays on the show (and I seriously doubt they'll get rid of him this close to the end) it's most likely not just going to be a new incarnation of Coulson back to his old self. One thing this show has been pretty consistent about is to keep the character arcs moving forwards. None of these characters are who they were when they joined the show and that includes Coulson.

I wouldn't like to say what form this might take, but I suspect something between Sarge and Coulson is the more likely avenue. Less like getting Coulson back and more like getting a Coulson who has a century or more of memories of following a path of devastation across a galaxy. Even with his memories restored, he'd effectively be a whole new character.

 

[SolarisOne]

Less like getting Coulson back and more like getting a Coulson who has a century or more of memories of following a path of devastation across a galaxy. Even with his memories restored, he'd effectively be a whole new character.

Even in Season One, one of the minor characters told him he was a different after being brought back from death the first time. Your suggestion would make a lot more sense, given the writers' track record. (Though I have to say that if we get some form of Coulson back, I would prefer it if him and May do end up together before the end. It's not like she doesn't have any experience with seismic life-shifting events, after all--she could roll with the changes in him.)

 

[Henoch]

In watching the cast interviews at SDCC, I overheard one thing on the fate of Coulson:

Spoiler: Season 7

The producer slipped and included "Coulson" in Season 7 when discussing the Season 7 wrap-up. I suspect we will get Coulson (body and soul) back by the end of Season 6.

 

[Reverend]

Even in Season One, one of the minor characters told him he was a different after being brought back from death the first time. Your suggestion would make a lot more sense, given the writers' track record. (Though I have to say that if we get some form of Coulson back, I would prefer it if him and May do end up together before the end. It's not like she doesn't have any experience with seismic life-shifting events, after all--she could roll with the changes in him.)

*If* things play out even roughly as I suspect, there will be ZERO chance of May and Coulson ending back together. This isn't like Simmons and frozen Fitz; there is a significant gulf of experience and memory between the two of them and as such, he's no longer the person she fell in love with anymore than Lash was.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Ming Na Wen posted, and then deleted, a picture with significant potential season 7 spoilers. Click at your own risk...

https://comicbook.com/marvel/amp/20...final-season-may-have-agent-carter-crossover/

 

[Booji]

I'll be VERY disappointed if Coulson comes back in any form next season. Not a Sarge fan. Keep him dead!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JD]

Well, it looks like if he comes back he will be probably be Coulson again, or at least something closer to him.

 

[SolarisOne]

Well, it looks like if he comes back he will be probably be Coulson again, or at least something closer to him.

From what he said to Daisy during tonight's episode, if he sticks around he'll be a fusion of Sarge and Coulson.

*If* things play out even roughly as I suspect, there will be ZERO chance of May and Coulson ending back together.

I agreed with you for a bit but now, after this latest episode, I'm not nearly as convinced. May and Daisy are the two most important people to Coulson and Coulson is definitely part of Sarge.