Hey, I never noticed that before....

[Commishsleer]

Watching "Cloud Minders" I have just noticed that in an initial fight scene, Spock doesn't attempt the neck pinch once. Perhaps this is an example of Season 3 lack of care.
I really hate this episode I'm just listening to Spock's monologue now - so terrible terrible. Is this how Spock thinks.? I know its blatantly expositional so we don't have to go through a lot of demonstration of injustice and get on with the plot but Spock is so cringey. I would have preferred almost anything to not hear Spock constantly say the 'lovely' Droxine.

 

[johnnybear]

I'll bet it was nothing to do with chivalry as to why the men stayed above either! Maybe they all carried the Pete Kellett gene and that had something to do with it?
JB

 

[Phaser Two]

Watching "Cloud Minders" I have just noticed that in an initial fight scene, Spock doesn't attempt the neck pinch once. Perhaps this is an example of Season 3 lack of care.
I really hate this episode I'm just listening to Spock's monologue now - so terrible terrible. Is this how Spock thinks.? I know its blatantly expositional so we don't have to go through a lot of demonstration of injustice and get on with the plot but Spock is so cringey. I would have preferred almost anything to not hear Spock constantly say the 'lovely' Droxine.

Yeah, it's funny how minds can differ. This is a real gem for me. BTW, Spock only says "lovely" once. Nimoy definitely does phone in the fight scene, though. Shatner gives it his all, however - in fact this episode is a Shatner & Kirk tour de force.

 

[johnnybear]

Whatever anyone says about the Shat, he gave the show his all and more in every department!
JB

 

[ZapBrannigan]

Yeah, it's funny how minds can differ. This is a real gem for me. BTW, Spock only says "lovely" once. Nimoy definitely does phone in the fight scene, though. Shatner gives it his all, however - in fact this episode is a Shatner & Kirk tour de force.

I think it was in the book Star Trek Lives! that Nimoy said he hated doing fight scenes, and implied he was always happy to leave that stuff to Shatner. Maybe it was in I am Not Spock. But can anybody imagine Nimoy fighting the faux-Andorian in "Journey to Babel"? It shines a light on just how good Shatner was at it.

 

[johnnybear]

He was excellent in the fight scenes in all the episodes that required it! Leonard Nimoy obviously came up with the Vulcan neck pinch to get himself out of any long drawn out fight scenes and who can blame him?
JB

 

[BK613]

Maybe the previous Controller's brain came from a female...

 

[Commishsleer]

He was excellent in the fight scenes in all the episodes that required it! Leonard Nimoy obviously came up with the Vulcan neck pinch to get himself out of any long drawn out fight scenes and who can blame him?
JB

So why didn't he use it in this scene. He could have been calmly knocking them out and piling their bodies on the floor while Kirk was Kirk-fuing them. Also Spock is supposed to be what 3 times as as strong as a human. He wasn't showing it here. Did Freiberger not know this or did they want Kirk to look tougher or something or were tight on budget so they couldn't afford more extras?

Also why did Kirk and Spock beam down alone without phasers and security. Who was going to carry the stuff?

 

[Phaser Two]

I think it was in the book Star Trek Lives! that Nimoy said he hated doing fight scenes, and implied he was always happy to leave that stuff to Shatner. Maybe it was in I am Not Spock. But can anybody imagine Nimoy fighting the faux-Andorian in "Journey to Babel"? It shines a light on just how good Shatner was at it.

Absolutely. Nimoy, at about 6-0 or taller, had a good physical presence, but Shatner, despite being a couple inches shorter or so, was just unmatched in that department. "Spectre of the Gun," where he just tees off on whichever Earp (Wyatt?) at the end, is a particular favorite of mine. I think most of that was without a stunt double too.

Nimoy looked okay fighting in (top of my head) "Catspaw," "Return of the Archons," "The Apple," "Errand of Mercy," "Amok Time," and "Mirror, Mirror" (where he was truly terrifying - that's got to be the best job they ever did conveying the strength of a Vulcan), but by S3 he just didn't even seem to be trying. "Cloud Minders" is one egregious example, but there's also . . . .

He was excellent in the fight scenes in all the episodes that required it! Leonard Nimoy obviously came up with the Vulcan neck pinch to get himself out of any long drawn out fight scenes and who can blame him?
JB

. . . "The Savage Curtain," where Spock turns in an absolutely pathetic performance grappling with Zora. So no, he wasn't excellent whenever required! I can't blame him for the nerve pinch, though; if he truly came up with it,
massive kudos. My favorites are when he would quietly slide in behind whoever was grappling with or threatening Kirk, as in "Space Seed" and "The Ultimate Computer," and deliver the pinch.

Maybe the previous Controller's brain came from a female...

 

[johnnybear]

I meant Shatner, Phase!
JB

 

[Spock's Barber]

I think it was very clever of Gene Coon as Lee Cronin to call the denizens of Sigma Draconis Morgs and Eymorgs rather than men and women! I know it sounds odd but all you have to do is think about it just a little!
JB

Yes. He could have called them twits and....I’d better not go there.

 

[johnnybear]

I wonder what the word you were looking for was?
JB

 

[Spock's Barber]

Dagger of the Mind :

The sticker that says ’ATT: Dr. Tristan Adams’ : it appears that the ‘Dr.’ part of it was placed on over the original sticker. My guess is that someone made an error and the sticker said ‘Mr. Tristan Adams’ instead of ‘Dr. Tristan Adams’.

 

[johnnybear]

Never noticed that before my Lord!
JB

 

[Spock's Barber]

^ We’d better be careful, JB, or Dr. Adams will ask us to take a seat.

 

[Tenacity]

Day seven. Non-stop counseling by the fashion police continues. Patient refuses to renounce the use of glitter.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

I can't blame him for the nerve pinch, though; if he truly came up with it, massive kudos.

I don't think that anyone has ever debated that Nimoy was the one who came up with the neck pinch, have they?

 

[Spock's Barber]

I don't think that anyone has ever debated that Nimoy was the one who came up with the neck pinch, have they?

IIRC, it was during the filming of Enemy Within....

 

[JonnyQuest037]

IIRC, it was during the filming of Enemy Within....

Yes. Nimoy thought that the scripted bit of Spock knocking out the Evil Kirk with the butt of his phaser was too crude for the character he was establishing. So, with the help of William Shatner, he proposed the idea of the neck pinch to the director as something a little more mysterious, less violent, and more appropriate to Mr. Spock overall. Nimoy said that it was the reaction of Shatner that really sold it -- apparently he collapsed like a sack of potatoes.

But yeah, the neck pinch went a long way to helping establish Mr. Spock's mystique. It was such a hit that the writers began incorporating it into their scripts as the FSNP (The Famous Spock Nerve Pinch).

 

[FormerLurker]

Day seven. Non-stop counciling by the fashion police continues. Patiant refuses to renounce the use of glitter.

Addendum: Please resend the request for solid color jammie pants. Visitors are starting to talk.