News The Falcon and the Winter Soldier Updates

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by PsychoPere, May 21, 2019.

  1. TREK_GOD_1

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    Agreed.

    The multiverse idea has never been sound, even in the comics, and was more of a way of explaining (away) an unrealistically overcrowded superhero world (with characters who should have been involved in bigger events, but were nowhere to be seen--a problem that plagued the existing MCU with its TV spin-offs).
     
  2. Set Harth

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    I didn't mean the multiverse concept in general, which would seem to be involved in FFH and the Russos' interpretation of Endgame, but the idea of the preexisting MCU films not being all in the same timeline.
     
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    I really enjoyed the issues of the comics that featured Cap's partners as a low powered team, including Nomad, D-Man, or Diamondback. In fact, a less cheesy version of the Serpent Society might make a good team of villains for a mini series. Hell, even appearances by Misty or Mockingbird would be welcome.
     
  5. Anwar

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    Says you. Zemo as he was reinvented (and he really wasn't, his personality in Civil War matched his very first appearance before he became the second comic Baron Zemo) works perfectly fine as the Avengers equivalent to an X-Men villain: He sees superhumans as a threat to normal and uncaring about the crossfire collateral damage and wants to eliminate that threat.

    A fine motivation.

    And the MCU is far better with managing where it's characters are at a given time than the comics are.
     
  6. TREK_GOD_1

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    I see. For this forthcoming series, I hope they keep the content as far removed from the Endgame/FFH type of stories as possible, as Wilson and Barnes are two of the more earthy, relatable characters in the MCU, and for a strong writer, there would be plenty of stories to create (or adapt from earlier comics) to bring to the series sans another "Big Galactic Event" threaded through it.
     
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  7. Anwar

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    So you think that good character driven stories can't happen in a fantastical setting? Utter nonsense.
     
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  8. JD

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    So far everybody we've heard about for the cast, Sebastian Stan as Winter Soldier, Anthony Mackie as Falcon, Emily VanCamp as Sharon Carter, and Daniel Bruhl as Helmut Zemo, are all baseline humans with no powers, so I'm pretty sure this is going be a more grounded story.
     
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  9. TREK_GOD_1

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    I hope so.
     
  10. Xerxes82

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    A nitpick: MCU Winter Soldier is not a baseline human with no powers. He's a super soldier, in the same vein as Captain American and Black Panther (with whom he shared a superhuman chase sequence in Civil War).

    But I agree, this should lend itself more to something like the action we've seen in the Captain America movies than anything else. I just hope we get to see Mackie in some version of the Captain America suit before it's all said and done. Comic book Sam Wilson's Captain America outfit is one my favorite legacy designs.
     
  11. Ovation

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    That's not actually what he wrote, at all. He was expressing a preference for the use of these particular characters (one I share, though I would never presume to dictate to the show makers). And it's in the MCU--it's already a "fantastical setting".
     
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  12. TREK_GOD_1

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    Agreed.

    Thank you.
     
  13. JD

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    Oh, I completely forgo Bucky was a super soldier, but he's still not at a level to up against a cosmic level threat like Dormammu or Thanos.
     
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    That never stopped Steve or T'Challa, why would it stop Bucky? But then, what are the odds Galactus or someone like that shows up and the first person to notice is Bucky? Odds are Carol, Fury or Strange will get wind of cosmic level threats *way* before that even becomes a question.
     
  15. Anwar

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    That's exactly what he wrote. He disliked the big "comic-booky" stuff and wants that creatively bankrupt grounded approach that nearly destroyed CBMs to be the only approach.
     
  16. Ovation

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    Nah. But whatever gets you through the night.
     
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  17. JD

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    I guess he probably could but it definitely wouldn't be as easy for him as it would be for one of the characters with bigger powers. Going at it from a real world perspective, unless they are going for specifically for a story where the heroes are way out of their league, it seems more likely that we'll be getting a more ground level threat in the Winter Soldier/Falcon series.
     
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    Maybe T'Challa will set a brother up with some heart-shaped herb...
     
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    That assumes that there is any more. Killmonger burned the entire crop and the one bud Nakia was able to save was already given to T'Challa to save his life..
     
  20. Gaith

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    ^ Okay, maybe Jemma Simmons-Fitz can reverse-engineer Erskine's formula with a sample of Bucky's blood. :p

    It actually could be neat if Sam's quest for super-strength were the main arc of the first season, with him and Bucky hunting down various alternatives...
     
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