What a dilemma.
"We have you surrounded!"
"All I am surrounded by is fear.
AND DEAD MEN."
HaventGotALife said:
Eh? What is this "justice" you speak of?
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Darth Vader Needs a Standalone...
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What a dilemma.
"We have you surrounded!"
"All I am surrounded by is fear.
AND DEAD MEN."
Eh? What is this "justice" you speak of?
The Jedi, at least before the Clone Wars, were somewhat attached to or part of the Republic's Judicial Department. They would be sent in to settle disputes. Negotiations. and other such tasks from time to time, in addition to being somewhat like roving Republic marshals, when a system's justice system was not enough to whatever what happening. The Jedi were considered fair since they were Jedi...though that changes more and more as they became seen more as overpowered Republic lackeys (partly thanks to Palpatine's behind the scenes propaganda and his own...suggestions for what the Jedi should do on behalf of the Republic). This was the old meaning of the all red Republic ships the Jedi used, and partly why the Republic warships during the Clone Wars had red trim.
Actually, I was referring to another part in the series where he learns the location of a rebel base and goes there to slaughter everyone. They were hesitant to dedicated too much of the story on this for the reasons I cited and in the end settled for making it a page or so of lightsabre posing and dead bodies lying around.
I really think a lot of this would be hard to do with a lead character who spends the entire moviie covered head to foot in full body armor and a mask. It just sounds like this would be a lot of very emotional stuff, and there's really only so much you can do with a voice and body language without seeing his face.
And I'm not positive, but I think this is a lot of the kind of stuff that they covered in the second Vader comic. That one was set right after Revenge of the Sith, and I think one of the big focuses was how he handled his transition from fully human Jedi to cyborg Sith Lord.
If the movie could do something with Vadar, change him from what he is at the beginning of the movie to what he is at the end. But he at the same time has to be the same person we've seen in the prequels at the end of the movie.
Not Human to start with.
Who, sand people? According to Legends continuity they were.
Desapientization, then. It is making them lesser beings, and ok to hate.
IIRC that's only *half* right. It's more like: "according to Legends stories some of them *could* be human, but mostly on the basis that Sand People tribes would sometimes kidnap settlers and "induct" them into the tribe, whether they wanted to or not, face wrappings and all."
Personally, I rather prefer the notion that the Tuskens and the Jawas have a sort of weird, inverted "Eloi and Morlocks" relationship. In that they're both decedents of whatever species lived on Tatooine before it became an arid wasteland of a planet, with each line adapting to the massive climate change each in their own way. The Tuskens sticking it out on the surface, adopting harsh savage ways to cope with living in a harsh, savage land, shunning all bu tthe simplest of tools.
The Jawas mostly retreating underground to overcrowded warrens and cave systems, surviving by adapting what machinery and tech that survived the cataclysm to stay alive. In my mind, the ones we see up on the surface are a tiny percentage sent up to trade with between the distant warrens. Though when the first outworld settlers started showing up, they proved to be a more abundant source of trade, alowing some clans to remain topside permanently.
I know this is probably contradicted by some reference book and that it sound like I've put *way* too much thought into it, but this is just how my brain works.
Pretty sure the "roving Marshall" idea was just a Legends thing. The more recent canon materials seems to indicate that at least in the last millennium of the Order's history, Jedi operated strictly under specific mandates issued by the Senate and/or the office of the Chancellor.
I'm sure things are a little more fast and loose out on the borders of wild space or the outer rim, and Jedi do occasionally exceed their authority, but for the most part, they seem to be very passive, reactive providers of "justice". Mostly at the beck and call of politicians and bureaucrats.
I could see this not being the case in the Old Republic. Perhaps the Jedi were an entirely separate entity in a time where galactic civilisation wasn't quite as settled and the reach of the core not nearly as far, with the Jedi acting as mediators and protectors not because they're out there as deputised agents, but because that's what they religion compels them to do.
Perhaps part of the reason they retreated from this approach was because it's thought this lack of accountability at least partly contributed to, or at least helped to facilitate the Sith heresies and resultant conquests. I mean it's not too large of a leap from being the "Guardians of Peace and Justice" to "Enforcers of Order and Justice", no?
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ok to view them as they really are, never mentioned onscreen anything mama skywalker did against them. they kidnapped her while picking mushrooms and brutized her.
serious lack of tears for their fate.
Wasn't there a Jedi turned Sith Lord who started off as one of the Tusken Raiders? In the Legacy series featuring Cade Skywalker?
Of course. I didn't ask you to do that.
If you go back to my post my point was that not all Sand People are that way, and describing them as "assholes" just for the actions of a single tribe is the epitome of dehumanization, as described.
Also, as noted by @The Wormhole , did the children do that? So, how then shall I respond to Anakin's description of slaughtering them like animals? Perhaps I should feel the same feeling for Kirk with his desire to let all Klingons die for the death of his son?
Wasn't he a Jedi who became a Tusken Raider?
I don't recall the specifics, it's been a very long time.
Yes I know, in a Galaxy far far away
I have his action figure.
IIRC he was a Jedi who ran off and joined the Tusken Raiders after Order 66 and helped them prey on Tatooine moisture farms until one day an attempt to attack the Lars homestead was thwarted by Obi-Wan. Then he went off and eventually became a Sith.
There are actually two, Sharad Hett and Ashrad Hett.
No, you're a decent human being. I am an asshole.To be fair, I am an asshole.
On topic: I wouldn't mind a movie made from the novel "The Rise of Darth Vader". But just the Vader parts. The subplot about the survivors of order 66 could be cut out.
did mama skywalker do that?
