Darth Vader Needs a Standalone...

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  1. HaventGotALife

    HaventGotALife Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    The first rebel base is on Naboo. Anakin is mourning Padme. Vader wants to squash these emotions. The duality continues, as he returns to the site of their love affair. He gains information about the rebels from a 10-year-old who idolizes the Jedi. This boy's mother is tortured to death, and a Empire General plays a long-lost Jedi, also captured, to find out about the rebel base. He is coached by Vader.

    This boy tells him that Luke may be on Naboo, as well. Luke is an infant at the time of this story. Palpatine learns of this, and confirms for Vader Luke is there. Upon hearing the rebels have killed Luke, Vader goes ape and slaughters the rebels on Naboo. He also, in the final act of destroying the duality, kills the informant little boy.

    "We no longer need him."
     
  2. The Wormhole

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    At this point in his life, Vader believes his unborn child died with Padme. Even if someone else knew she gave birth, they wouldn't know the child was named Luke, nor would that name mean anything to Vader at this point in time.
     
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  3. Turtletrekker

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    Episodes 1-6 chronicled the rise, fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker, aka Darth Vader. Where is the need for a stand-alone?
     
  4. fireproof78

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    No, thank you. The comic is sufficient and the Rogue One scene turned me off Vader for a while.
     
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  5. Tenacity

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    Vadar is sadistic monster, there's nothing about him that would be interesting to watch as a movie's "star."
     
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  6. HaventGotALife

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    The impetus of this story was analyzing Vader's actions through being Borderline. It occurs to me that he goes out into the room with his self-harm. He feels he failed Padme, his mother, and in this story, his son.

    I don't believe Vader should want to be alive with where they left the character. I want Palpatine to think he killed Luke so that neither of them search for Anakin's offspring. I want him to manipulate Vader into believing the Rebellion killed him; a personal motivation that is consistent with his character, for destroying the rebellion.

    It sharpens what they did with Vader. A young Padawan asks him for help in the Jedi temple, and we see his blade in-frame, suggesting he kills the boy he was.

    He doubles down that he will be the greatest Jedi after his mother died. He abandons that dream, turns towards Palpatine, and everything they fought to preserve--The Republic, the Jedi--are gone for one woman's life.

    "I need him!"

    Well, he no longer needs him. Twisted to believe the Jedi are trying to Palpatine, or not, he has no reason to be alive, and a Hallmark of BPD is that it ends in suicide.

    So, if you follow that logic, he should try to end all life, genocide. If he goes out into the room.

    His anger over Luke's death drives him to destroy the rebellion, like the sand people. It becomes personal.

    And when Luke reappears, Palpatine simply says that they hid him just to challenge Vader. "You turned her against me!" Fueling his anger, again.

    Otherwise, he's just deluded into thinking Palpatine is that "someone wise."

    It doesn't match the Hallmark characteristics, nor the peace he finds himself in IV. I want him to try and kill "the good," which stays dormant until "a presence not felt since..." He has no reason to stay alive. I want to give him one, as dark as it may be. The rebellion killed his son, what was left of Padme. And, this resonates in VI as he kills Palpatine.

    Otherwise, I will spend eternity just hating the fact Vader doesn't at least consider suicide.
     
  7. Campe98

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    Star Wars characters who don’t need standalone
    1. Darth Vader
    2. Boba Fett
    3. Yoda
    4. Han Sol— whoops
    There are so many corners of the GFFA to tell stories about. Let’s find out about those not the characters we’ve already followed.
     
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  8. fireproof78

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    This sounds like a very psychological thriller. Something I don't feel is suited to Star Wars.
     
  9. Saul

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    Answer: Wherever there is a desire for money.

    I see the Darth Vader movie as Disney's endgame. When they finally milk all they can out of the franchise they slap down a Vader movie.
     
  10. BillJ

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    I tend to agree, though I found Solo to be pretty entertaining. They didn't reinvent the wheel, but not a bad way to spend a couple of hours.
     
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  11. Reverend

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    I'm one of those crazy people that actually enjoyed the Solo movie, despite it's flaws.
    That said, I'm not sure what a Vader movie would even look like. I think the only approach that would make sense (and not just be a bunch of ill connected flailing a la 'Crimes of Grindlewald') is to go full avant-garde.
    Think something along the lines of 'The Seventh Seal' meets 'The Fountain' to do a dramatic retelling of 'Faust ' in the style of 'THX 1138'...and that's not a Star Wars movie that Disney is *ever* going to make. Thought thinking about it, it might actually tempt George Lucas out of retirement. He's been after doing weird, out there experimental stuff for decades but has never seemed to get around to it.

    As for other standalones: I think there's still some story to tell about Boba Fett, though I think a novel, comic series (like the excellent Vader ones) or even a limited streaming show would be a better medium than a theatrical movie.

    Yoda...I think he works best with his mystique intact, but if someone has a particular story to tell set in the early Republic period and a younger Yoda just happens to have a role in it, then I'd at least be open to the idea.

    More broadly speaking, though I did enjoy Solo, I think standalones focusing on mainly on one established character is not really the way forwards. Instead, they should be approaching it more like 'Rogue One' or even the original 'Star Wars'. An ensemble piece built around a story that's worth telling. It needn't even be a very big story with galactic stakes; it can be small and personal, quiet even.
     
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  12. Campe98

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    Oh, I agree. It was entertaining if not completely unnecessary.

    I’m just saying I’d rather see a movie about someone or something new at this point as opposed to keeping going back to what we’ve seen before.
     
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    If this is the case then I'll pass on this film. To me, completely unnecessary to have this as a film.
     
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  14. JD

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    I think a lot of what you're looking for was already covered in the two Vader comics that Marvel has done, so you might want to check them out. I've read all but the last collection of the first series, and it is outstanding.
    I haven't read it yet, but the second series takes place right after he got the suit at the end of Revenge of the Sith, and I think it does deal quite a bit with how he handled the transition from Anakin Skywalker, to Darth Vader.
    Honestly, I think comics and novels would be a better place to do a deep dive on Vader since it's hard to do a deep character movie on a character who spends the whole movie covered from head to toe in big robotic suit.
    The only way I could maybe see a Vader movie working is if we have him teamed up with another character who would serve as our POV, and look at Vader through them, rather than basing the whole thing around Vader.
     
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  15. valkyrie013

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    While I enjoyed Vader's role in Rouge One, a whole movie about him is kind of not needed.
    As a possible movie plot, I picture maybe say, 5 years after the great jedi killboreee That Daddy Vader is in to full Jedi Extermination mode with his Inquisitors, and going after all the ones that survived. So a movie with not Vader as the leed but maybe a Jedi or Jedi padawan that survived the lead protagonist, and follow him/her around trying to out wit, out run Vader and his goonies. Make a good 2 movie story, 1st movie would be the jedi outwiting an inquisitor, and the second movie Vader hunts him down, and of course Sabre battles galour, and the finalie of the second movie would be Vader vs good guy.. and Vader wins! Don't think 1 movie would be enough time of a build up to a vader showdown..
    But basically, you don't show Vader as a good guy, or morally conflicted with daddy issues, you show him in full Kill everybody let the force sort them out mode.. at the end of Sith, he was Vader.. no other one needed..

    Now that would be a decent movie, but really not needed, only positive it would show would be Vader with todays special effects and choregraphy that the Orignal series lacked.. So basically Great lightsabre battle that would be one for the ages :)
     
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    I recommend ''Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader'', its a great novel written by James Luceno
     
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  17. Gaith

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    In case Dredd didn't already make it abundantly clear, let me spell things out for everyone: the general moviegoing public is never going to make the sort of smash hit Disney demands from the Star Wars franchise out of a movie in which the protagonist wears a face-covering helmet the whole time. No, not even if said helmet is Darth Vader's.

    You're all welcome. ;)
     
  18. fireproof78

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    I love how Star Trek isn't allowed to have a lead who is morally ambiguous or evil but Star Wars fans are clamoring for the most evil character to be the lead.

    Ahhh, fandom. You are so confusing.
     
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  19. Set Harth

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    Vader, the most evil? HA!
     
  20. fireproof78

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    One of the most evil. With some rather disgusting evil things:
    Perfect lead material...