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Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Angel - First Time Viewer

Over the Rainbow

This arc is weird, but we are learning so much more about Lorne and his people. So Pylea is his home planet, they treat humans as cows, and now because of the visions Cordelia has been made princess of that world. Also, man does Daniel Dae Kim get around various sci fi franchises. He was like Mr. Reliable back in those days, at least before he became a lead on Lost.

Decent episode, but it was only part 2.
 
I love the Pylea storyline, it's just so bonkers.
I think Pylea is technically considered an alternate dimension, not a planet.
 
I love the Pylea storyline, it's just so bonkers.
I think Pylea is technically considered an alternate dimension, not a planet.

Yeah they kept mentioning another dimension, but they are on a planet right? Or is this like the multi-verse and they are actually on a version of Earth that has 2 suns? Is this like Sliders?

By the way, they had a Xena: Warrior Princess reference in this episode. I've never watched that series, but from what little I had seen, I was getting a Xena vibe watching the sets and production quality of this episode.
 
The other dimension part is important in allowing Angel not to explode in flames.

Through the Looking Glass

As weird as this arc is, I'm still enjoying it. It's very different from anything I've seen in the Buffy universe, and it's not quite as dark as I was expecting, with the whole human as cows thing. This feel more adventurous and a little like a mid-evil era kind of story. I really liked getting to know Fred more, as her scenes with Angel were the best part of the episode. Also, this dimension Angel was able to be human until he changed sending the balance between human and demon out of whack. I was a little confused though in that he was a vampire. I was led to believe Vampires weren't necessarily demons.

Also, I looked up what role Joss had as a cameo. It didn't surprise me that he was the guy dancing at the beginning. That scene was hilarious.
 
Vampires are half demon. This is explained in Buffy season 3, that most demons are some mix of demon and human which is why the mayor’s full demonism (Fun fact: this keeps autocorrecting to feminism) was a big deal.

Also was referenced in Doyle’s last episode.
 
Vampires are half demon. This is explained in Buffy season 3, that most demons are some mix of demon and human which is why the mayor’s full demonism (Fun fact: this keeps autocorrecting to feminism) was a big deal.

Also was referenced in Doyle’s last episode.

It's been so long since I've seen season three. Thanks for the reminder. :)
 
Now that you've gotten passed Through the Looking Glass, I can finally point out to you the one Buffy-verse Easter egg that Joss Whedon snuck into his Avengers movies. At approximately 43 seconds into this video, during Thor's vision in Age of Ultron, you get a brief look at three statues representing... A wolf, a ram, and a hart.

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Now that you've gotten passed Through the Looking Glass, I can finally point out to you the one Buffy-verse Easter egg that Joss Whedon snuck into his Avengers movies. At approximately 43 seconds in this video, during Thor's vision in Age of Ultron, you get a brief look at three statues representing... A wolf, a ram, and a hart.

Nice. I also just picked on something else I didn't even notice. Wolf, Ram, Hart = Wolfram & Hart. So that's the connection. :eek:
 
There's No Place Like Plrtz Glrb

As individual episodes, these were hard to talk about mainly because they pretty much built on what came before. As a 4 episode arc, I actually enjoyed that quite a bit. It was so different from anything I've seen doing this watch through the Buffy-Verse, but it was fun, and this season finale actually tied up a lot of what this season was about. For example, a lot of this season focused on Angel's struggles to balance the Demon and Man. He even said the reason he fired the crew was because he felt like the demon side would have consumed him, mainly because he couldn't redeem Darla, or himself. This was taken literally here where he's in a place where it was either or, either the human side was dominant or the demon side was dominant. When he was able to change back to human during the fight with Groo, it was basically the show taking Angel's entire arc and admitting he's finally able to balance each side. That's good character development, and it's because of that why I think these 4 episodes work, despite them feeling detached from what came before.

As for the rest of this arc, it was fun. We learned a lot about Lorne, to see everyone together at the end (Angel, Cordy, Wesley, Fred, Lorne, and Gunn) actually made me smile, even though I'm a little worried "Team Angel" might suffer from "Team Arrow" or "Team Flash" next season. You keep increasing the cast size and you start to wonder if that's a detriment to the show itself. Anyway, I enjoyed going to Pylea, Cordy decapitating Silas, and Gunn's reciting of history post the American Civil War.

I do say this with one coveat though. There's been a number of times in this thread where you guys have told me I should rewatch episodes of Buffy to get the full arc. Well, in watching this episode and seeing Willow at the end, I was going back to when these episodes originally aired. I don't think I would have liked this episode very much after having just seen "The Gift". I know it's been brought up of "Buffy's Big Four" with Hush, Restless, The Body, and Once More With Feeling. Well, I wish we could make it The Big Five because The Gift is honestly one of the best episodes of anything I have watched in 2019. The plan, that score (I listen to "Sacrifice" quite a bit), Buffy's "Hardest thing in the world" speech, and then it ends with a little bit of hope, and Buffy has achieved her "gift". I'm actually getting teared up a little just thinking about that episode again, that's how insanely good that thing was. It was a literal shock, awe, sadness, and a little bit of hope all rolled into one. I don't think that would have carried over with this Angel episode. In fact, I would tell anyone who was watching Buffy for the first time to watch "The Gift", wait a few days, and then watch the Angel episode. Let you come down from the emotional high that that Buffy episode will take you on.

As for this season, I think the best thing I can say about this season was there was a lot of great character work and there was a lot of variety. Shows like Arrow and Flash get bogged down so much because they have to stretch arcs to the end, yet I look back at Angel season 2 and think a lot of things happened this season. A lot of it was good, some of it was bad (The stretch where Angel is by himself and we didn't see Darla for 3 or 4 episodes really didn't work for me), but a lot of it was great character work and development. Every character got a chance to shine this season, the characters got closer together and I'm excited for what is in store for season 3.

As for Angel, Season 2 favorite 5 episodes:

Darla
Dear Boy
Epiphany
Are You now Or Have You Ever Been
Reunion

Time to further get to know Wilfred now. :)
 
That's why I mentioned earlier that I had been waiting for you to get here because it is such a different little arc. With some of the earlier comments about episodes just sort of moving along I was thinking just wait a little...
 
Heartthrob

Decent start to season 3. Angel is on patrol, stakes an acquaintance and her lover wants vengeance. I liked the flashbacks to that relationship (Nice thing about this show is you can use the flashbacks to develop the characters in said story) and I appreciated Angel's take on Buffy's death and how his grieving process was different than what you would expect. That little thing between Cordy and Angel at the end was really nice with Cordy reassuring him that he's honoring Buffy by helping people and doing his job.

Just curious, was Lorne Angel's response to Vic Fontaine? Every time I hear Lorne sing he reminds me of Vic in DS9, and his rendition of "I Left My Heart In San Francisco" was really beautiful. Also, I think my worries of big cast might have been a little unfounded. They really did utilize everyone pretty well here and it didn't feel like characters were losing screen time because of the big cast. They have a nice balance working here and I hope that stays true for the rest of the series.
 
Ah the Pylea arc. Charisma carpenter in that gold bikini was a transformative moment. Or something. Holy moly. :adore:
 
They actually do an excellent job of not only servicing the members of the main cast but the recurring characters as well.
 
I have a question, and this is in regards to the ending of the last episode I saw. I didn't talk about it because I anticipate they will probably explain it as the season has gone on, but has Buffy or 2 seasons of Angel explained how Vampires can get pregnant? Aren't they dead already? I wasn't entirely sure how to react to the revelation that Darla was pregnant. It actully made me go, "ha?"

As for Carpenter in a gold bikini, man did they have her in a bikini a lot in this entire arc. Starting from the objectifying director to her being a princess on Pylea (Which if you think about it was kinda similar, both were humiliating experiences) they really got a lot of "milage" out of that whole thing.
 
Yeah, the reaction you had is exactly the reaction you are meant to have.
You've also now hit the point where the series arc really starts to take off.
 
As for Carpenter in a gold bikini, man did they have her in a bikini a lot in this entire arc. Starting from the objectifying director to her being a princess on Pylea (Which if you think about it was kinda similar, both were humiliating experiences) they really got a lot of "milage" out of that whole thing.

So did I!
:whistle:
 
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