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Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Angel - First Time Viewer

She exposes herself to danger in ways, given her knowledge, she should know better.

She should but she has always been that rebellious teenager. I mean this is a person who doesn’t really have a stable role model (Buffy tries but it’s fishy at best) and she has been known for stealing and getting into trouble. No matter how much she has learned, it’s ingrained in her personality.
 
It’s funny if you see the patient she played on House. She’s basically Dawn only instead of a slayer’s sister, she has deathly allergies to nearly everything. Again playing a rebellious teenager who keeps nearly dying because everything outside her house is trying to kill her.
 
Is anyone reading the Boom comics? It reboots the series to take place in the 2010s and starts going in a different direction quickly. Drusilla is the Big Bad as the Mistress, Anya appears in the first issue, Willow is already out and has a girlfriend, Robin Wood is an older student at Sunnydale and he and Buffy are starting to have something of a relationship,
Xander was bit by Drusilla and is a vampire now. Although he's still somewhere between life and death, so Giles believes he can be saved using a magical McGuffin that keeps his soul from leaving.

It's really worth reading, they have an Angel series too that takes place before he went to Sunnydale.
I did. I decided to download the free sample of the collected edition on Google Play, and ended up getting the whole first issue. I posted my detailed thoughts a couple posts above yours.
 
I just found the Buffy reboot collection on my library's digital service, so I'll take a break from the other stuff I'm reading and read the rest of it that way.
 
Conversations with Dead People

I say I'm going to cut back on writing thoughts on every episode, and then we get an episode like this which is incredibly deep and cerebral. We get more hints on the whole "From Beneath You It Devours" thing, Buffy had a psychological chit-chat with a former high school student turned Vampire, and the two creepy and ominous things are Dawn's story and Willow's story. Willow's story is so sad, thinking she's making a connection to Tara only to find out the entity (I didn't talk about Help, but I thought it was a decent episode and I was sad Cassie's premonition, all premonitions, came true) is sending her a threat, which means Willow will probably need to use some dark magic this season. Dawn's story was so creepy, seeing her mother and the mother saying Buffy won't protect Dawn. This episode really did send a lot of things in motion for the final 15. Spike can sire people again now? Is the chip gone?

Also, @Forbin,

I've seen the episode where your comment this morning applies. That was shocking the Johnathan is killed scene. You say Andrew has a break out year. Well, it's not starting all that well.

This one reminded me of DS9's Sound of Her Voice matched up with Babylon 5's Day of the Dead.
 
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^FWIW, I was enjoying reading your thoughts on each episode, but I understand wanting to get to the end when it's almost in sight.

If people want me to continue doing that, I guess I could. I just started thinking about the whole thing about I'm the only one watching Buffy and You guys are pretty much commenting based on memory and I love how hot this thread got. It could have died on arrival and my excitement to the series would be regulated to listening to a podcast. It's not really the big "it" thing in terms of topics on the forums lately, not with things like Discovery, or Comic Book Movies (TV) or pretty much anything that is current.
 
If people want me to continue doing that, I guess I could. I just started thinking about the whole thing about I'm the only one watching Buffy and You guys are pretty much commenting based on memory and I love how hot this thread got. It could have died on arrival and my excitement to the series would be regulated to listening to a podcast. It's not really the big "it" thing in terms of topics on the forums lately, not with things like Discovery, or Comic Book Movies (TV) or pretty much anything that is current.
"When I look at a gas nebula, all I see is a cloud of dust. But seeing the universe through your eyes, I was able to experience... Wonder."

Q to Vash, "Q-Less" ;)
 
Conversations with Dead People

I say I'm going to cut back on writing thoughts on every episode, and then we get an episode like this which is incredibly deep and cerebral. We get more hints on the whole "From Beneath You It Devours" thing, Buffy had a psychological chit-chat with a former high school student turned Vampire, and the two creepy and ominous things are Dawn's story and Willow's story. Willow's story is so sad, thinking she's making a connection to Tara only to find out the entity (I didn't talk about Home, but I thought it was a decent episode and I was sad Cassie's premonition, all premonitions, came true) is sending her a threat, which means Willow will probably need to use some dark magic this season. Dawn's story was so creepy, seeing her mother and the mother saying Buffy won't protect Dawn. This episode really did send a lot of things in motion for the final 15. Spike can sire people again now? Is the chip gone?

Also, @Forbin,

I've seen the episode where your comment this morning applies. That was shocking the Johnathan is killed scene. You say Andrew has a break out year. Well, it's not starting all that well.

This one reminded me of DS9's Sound of Her Voice matched up with Babylon 5's Day of the Dead.

This episode was co-written by a couple uncredited writers. Joss Whedon wrote the Buffy scenes (and co-wrote the song "Blue" with singer Angie Hart). Jane Espenson wrote the Dawn scenes. Drew Goddard wrote the Jonathan & Andrew scenes. And Marti Noxon wrote the Willow scenes.

Instead of including Cassie, Amber Benson was originally asked to play Tara. She refused and later told the BBC the following:
I wish that we could have worked it out but there were extenuating circumstances that I don't really want to go into. I would love to have come back but sometimes there are things in your life that you have to stand up for and to tell you the God's honest truth, I really didn't want Tara to be bad, and that would have been a component of me coming back.

As much as I wanted to come back - and I almost did - that was something that was dogging my not wanting to come back. I just felt like people really loved that character and for her to be bad would just destroy people. So that was one of the reasons I didn't go back.

There were initially plans for subplots about Xander encountering Eric Balfour's Jesse (not seen since he died in the two-part series premiere) and Anya encountering Kali Rocha's Halfrek, but they were scrapped due to time constraints and Kali Rocka being unavailable. She shot all of her scenes for Lessons and Selfless in one day, with her death scene being green-screened.
 
@OCD Geek

I was wondering why they couldn't get Benson back. It seemed odd they brought back a character who just died a few episodes earlier to play a part written for Tara. It makes sense though, considering seeing Tara playing someone bad would have been deeply disturbing and probably would have reopened many wounds in the fanbase.
 
@OCD Geek

I was wondering why they couldn't get Benson back. It seemed odd they brought back a character who just died a few episodes earlier to play a part written for Tara. It makes sense though, considering seeing Tara playing someone bad would have been deeply disturbing and probably would have reopened many wounds in the fanbase.

Yeah, Noxon having Tara return to try and convince Willow to kill herself after all the fan and critical backlash and behind-the-scenes fallout from Season 6 is certainly a choice.
 
Did the First come back as good dead people too? I thought it only came back as previous Big Bads.
 
Did the First come back as good dead people too? I thought it only came back as previous Big Bads.

Anyone that previously died was its rule. Even if they were revived afterwards. It appeared as Joyce in Dead People and a couple dream sequences. Cassie. I would characterise Jonathan as good, and it came back several times as him. Robin's Mom is another. Plus the potential that commited suicide. There were also plans for a Kendra appearance, but that never came about. And its favorite guise after Jonathan: Sarah Michelle Gellar. Might be missing one or two. Oh, the girl that Caleb murdered in his past.
 
I'm not sure why one would see Tara coming back as evil. It wouldn't be the real Tara or I don't know what else I can say that might be to much of a spoiler about the big bad.

Jason
 
I'm not sure why one would see Tara coming back as evil. It wouldn't be the real Tara or I don't know what else I can say that might be to much of a spoiler about the big bad.

Jason

Seeing Willow's love of her life telling her to commit suicide might have been a really damaging thing, especially if there was backlash on how she was killed off in the first place.
 
I'm not sure why one would see Tara coming back as evil. It wouldn't be the real Tara or I don't know what else I can say that might be to much of a spoiler about the big bad.

Jason

I think she meant that she didn't want the last time that fans saw Tara to be "her" trying to get Willow to kill herself. Particularly LGBTQ fans for whom Willow and Tara were extremely important. Speaking as I bi man, I can only imagine how important it was for many lesbians to see Willow and Tara on mainstream television. Let alone any women who came out to their loved ones as a result.
 
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