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News Brent Spiner Returned for "Picard" (and you could do the CGI better in 15 minutes, we get it)

The painful point of the matter for me, is that outside of Picard, Data and Worf, none of the other characters were remotely memorable or well-acted. Worf was badly overused, being in nearly three hundred Trek episodes and Data was featured heavily in both TNG and the feature films (same as Picard).

If they are doing a Picard show, they should take off in an unexpected direction exploring new characters and ideas, and leave the nostalgia for Discovery.
 
NCC-73515 said:
Sure, cause Nemesis was about Janeway, Enterprise was about Cochrane, TNG was about Bones, DS9 was about Picard, VOY was about Quark, Generations was about Scotty,..
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And most of those examples were just pointless cameos, as I mentioned before. Do you think people went to see Nemesis because Janeway was in it for ten seconds?
 
NCC-73515 said:
Sure, cause Nemesis was about Janeway, Enterprise was about Cochrane, TNG was about Bones, DS9 was about Picard, VOY was about Quark, Generations was about Scotty, Disco was about Number One and Vina,...
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Holy deja vu, Batman!
 
Dukhat said:
And most of those examples were just pointless cameos, as I mentioned before. Do you think people went to see Nemesis because Janeway was in it for ten seconds?
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What's the connection to you saying it's about them if there's anyone else beside Picard?
 
NCC-73515 said:
I hope to see or at least hear about Riker, Data, Worf, and Beverly. Geordi, Deanna, Wesley would be nice as well. If the season builds up to a big finale, some of them could show up with their own ships. Riker might still have the Titan, Data the E, Worf could have a negh'var, Beverly could have the Pasteur, Geordi had the Challenger in VOY Timeless, Deanna could have a transport ship (there's a lot less pressure there). I'd actually enjoy something like that, and if they contribute meaningfully to the story, why not? If it's about Romulus, maybe they could even bring Donatra, Sela, or Tal'aura back. If the plot is good, why wouldn't we wanna see at least some of them again? They could be absent from 9 episodes and then become the fan surprise in the last one.
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Because that takes the story and turns it in to a cameo show. So, Picard takes a back seat to his own story because we need to establish Riker on the Titan, Data, and Worf and all the rest.

It's fan service of the highest caliber that differs from the other cameos mentioned because now the story is focused on them. It also is a story that would come out of nowhere, with little to no explanation, after taking 9 episodes to build up Picard and his new crew.

So, you want them to take a back seat in their own show? :eek:
 
NCC-73515 said:
What's the connection to you saying it's about them if there's anyone else beside Picard?
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You've lost me.

fireproof78 said:
Because that takes the story and turns it in to a cameo show. So, Picard takes a back seat to his own story because we need to establish Riker on the Titan, Data, and Worf and all the rest.

It's fan service of the highest caliber that differs from the other cameos mentioned because now the story is focused on them. It also is a story that would come out of nowhere, with little to no explanation, after taking 9 episodes to build up Picard and his new crew.

So, you want them to take a back seat in their own show? :eek:
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Yeah, the last time that happened (ENT "These are the Voyages"), it didn't turn out too well...
 
fireproof78 said:
Because that takes the story and turns it in to a cameo show. So, Picard takes a back seat to his own story because we need to establish Riker on the Titan, Data, and Worf and all the rest.
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It absolutely doesn't make the show about those people. It can still be 100% about Picard without having to have an overarching story about the complete last 15 year history of all ancillary characters. It's their connection to him that's relevant -- what they had then, and what they can do now.
 
WarpFactorZ said:
It absolutely doesn't make the show about those people. It can still be 100% about Picard without having to have an overarching story about the complete last 15 year history of all ancillary characters. It's their connection to him that's relevant -- what they had then, and what they can do now.
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And if they’re not important or relevant to the story, then there’s no reason for them to be there.
 
Dukhat said:
And if they’re not important or relevant to the story, then there’s no reason for them to be there.
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I didn't say they weren't relevant to the story. In fact, I said the exact opposite:

me in the previous post you apparently ignored to make your own argument said:
It's their connection to him that's relevant -- what they had then, and what they can do now.
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Longinus said:
I really don't understand this dislike for seeing the other TNG characters. Now we don't need to have a full reunion, but then again, they were important part of Picard's life for a long time, and including some of them would be perfectly natural.
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Probably because I've seen Discovery and know how overboard they can go with this stuff. So I would simply prefer that they remove the temptation.
 
BillJ said:
Probably because I've seen Discovery and know how overboard they can go with this stuff. So I would simply prefer that they remove the temptation.
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There's a huge difference between a show about a character we've never heard of before, versus a show about one of the most important central characters of the Trekverse. In the former, the guest stars can take over because they become more interesting than the star. In the latter, the star will most certainly dominate the story.
 
WarpFactorZ said:
There's a huge difference between a show about a character we've never heard of before, versus a show about one of the most important central characters of the Trekverse. In the former, the guest stars can take over because they become more interesting than the star. In the latter, the star will most certainly dominate the story.
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I just prefer they tell a good story without a lot of callback to the TNG gang. TNG's over, I have it on Blu-ray any time I want to see those characters, there are also dozens of books with those characters if I want new adventures.

I want to see a legacy character go in a new direction without a nostalgia net.
 
BillJ said:
I just prefer they tell a good story without a lot of callback to the TNG gang. TNG's over, I have it on Blu-ray any time I want to see those characters, there are also dozens of books with those characters if I want new adventures.

I want to see a legacy character go in a new direction without a nostalgia net.
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I have been married for 20 years. That doesn't make my present life a callback to when I was dating my wife.

I frequently see people I went to graduate school with at conferences. I work with someone whom I went to undergraduate school with. I still collaborate with my degree advisors. That doesn't make my present day experiences throwbacks to my university years.

I have known one of my best friends for over 40 years. That doesn't mean our recent conversations are about playing with Tonka trucks and Hotwheels cars in the dirt.

Lesson: the past is the past, but it's the shared experience that informs the present (and shapes the future). And a good writer can make that happen for fictional characters.

YMMV, I guess.
 
WarpFactorZ said:
I have been married for 20 years. That doesn't make my present life a callback to when I was dating my wife.
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I got you beat: 26 years here. :p

If the show was 8,760 hours long, I would agree with you. The show's season is ten episodes, which is going to be about 8 hours. I'd simply prefer that those eight hours be spent looking forward versus looking back.
 
BillJ said:
I got you beat: 26 years here. :p

If the show was 8,760 hours long, I would agree with you. The show's season is ten episodes, which is going to be about 8 hours. I'd simply prefer that those eight hours be spent looking forward versus looking back.
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I think they can do that, though. Everyone (99%) watching will know who, say, Riker is. They don't need to do any extensive backstory, except some throwaway lines like "Jean-Luc, my 10 years on the Titan didn't make me as soft as you think." The whole thing can be in medias res.

For those who don't know something: Google it! I swear, Game of Thrones relied on that to keep the story straight.
 
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