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Blockbuster seems to have come to mean "successful big-budget movie that I don't like because I'm smarter."
Pretty much this. If it has action then it is for the ignorant masses, while less action means more upper crust. Or something... :shrug:I'm probably not smart enough ;)
 
Pretty much this. If it has action then it is for the ignorant masses, while less action means more upper crust. Or something... :shrug:I'm probably not smart enough ;)

It's that's same logic used to criticize the Kelvinverse films vs. "REAL STAR TREK."

"Star Trek (read: TNG) was always so thoughtful and intelligent."

"Slow" doesn't always equate to "smart."
 
It's that's same logic used to criticize the Kelvinverse films vs. "REAL STAR TREK."

"Star Trek (read: TNG) was always so thoughtful and intelligent."

"Slow" doesn't always equate to "smart."

Agreed. Likewise longer running time doesn't necessarily equate "epic".

Unpopular opinion: Today's genre films, including the JJ Star Trek movies are too long. There isn't enough story in these movies to justify a running time that exceeds that of all the TOS films from II-VI.


Wrath of Khan - 112 minutes
Search for Spock - 105 minutes
The Voyage Home - 122 minutes
The Final Frontier - 106 minutes
The Undiscovered Country - 110 minutes
Generations - 118 minutes
First Contact - 111 minutes
Insurrection - 103 minutes
Nemesis - 116 minutes
Star Trek (2009) - 127 minutes
Into Darkness - 133 minutes
Beyond - 122 minutes
 
Not according to the movie. Sybok was a child from a previous marriage, a Vulcan princess. So unlike Spock and/or Burham, he's a "purebreed" Vulcan.
His father never had to twist arms to get him to Vulcan academies or whatever.

it would have made it interesting dynamic to watch unfold on the show if they had used all three characters for flashbacks.
 
it would have made it interesting dynamic to watch unfold on the show if they had used all three characters for flashbacks.

Yes, it would have. Sybok was probably already an adult when they adopted Michael. But he had feelings and wasn't afraid to show them. Sybok could even have made an appearance in the present of the show and his existence would still have been unknown by Kirk and McCoy.
 
Yes, it would have. Sybok was probably already an adult when they adopted Michael. But he had feelings and wasn't afraid to show them. Sybok could even have made an appearance in the present of the show and his existence would still have been unknown by Kirk and McCoy.

They could have had him
intrigued by the red Angel, disappointed that it was just a tech suit and stumble into the idea of Sha Ka Ree, and go on a tangent quest right in front of our eyes
.
 
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They could have had him
intrigued by the red Angel, disappointed that it was just a tech suit and stumble into the idea of Sha Ka Ree, and go on a tangent quest right in front of our eyes
.

That's interesting and it would definitely be a worthy effort for continuity.
 
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They could have had him
intrigued by the red Angel, disappointed that it was just a tech suit and stumble into the idea of Sha Ka Ree, and go on a tangent quest right in front of our eyes
.

You've received an infraction for posting uncoded spoilers for Discovery Season 2. As warned (three times) in the pinned thread at the top of the forum.

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One hundred percent agreed. Continuity is important, but the fannish obsession with "canon," bordering on religious fundamentalism has become a pox on the franchise.

My hot take: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country suffered because they didn't have Saavik as Spock's protege who gets involved in the conspiracy. It would have added tons of depth to the already good story. Even if Kirstie wasn't willing for whatever reason, and Meyer didn't like Robin Curtis, then they simply should have recast again, or Meyer should have gotten over his attitude about Curtis.

(Sub-Hot Take: Curtis was the better Saavik)
I think canon is as important with star trek as it is with any tv show. you can take it too far, but some basic things have to be adhered to. Take Cheers for example, if suddenly in the 6th season you had sam playing for the yankes in his past in one episode, then back to the red sox in the next, you have sloppy writing, no matter how good the story is.
 
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