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jfordny said:
Because I just don't buy Pike in his 50s in the Cage or pushing 70 in the Menagerie.
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Did you miss my post above? Anson Mount was 45 when he appeared in a season set 3 years after "The Cage." Therefore his Pike would be around 42 in "The Cage." Which is exactly halfway between what Jeffrey Hunter's and Bruce Greenwood's ages would've been.
 
But they're not complaining about Anson Mount's age, they're complaining that Pike is an academy classmate of Georgiou, who is in her mid-fifties in DSC (born 2202, according to the file Voq finds in the wrecked Shenzhou), and attended the Academy between ages 18 and 22 (same source), so if Pike is Anson Mount's age, he would've been out drinking with her when he was 12, at most, barring fanwank (Pike was lying to test her! She was an instructor who got blackout drunk with students!).
 
David cgc said:
But they're not complaining about Anson Mount's age, they're complaining that Pike is an academy classmate of Georgiou, who is in her mid-fifties in DSC (born 2202, according to the file Voq finds in the wrecked Shenzhou), and attended the Academy between ages 18 and 22 (same source), so if Pike is Anson Mount's age, he would've been out drinking with her when he was 12, at most, barring fanwank (Pike was lying to test her! She was an instructor who got blackout drunk with students!).
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Yes this. The 'instructor who got blackout drunk with students' explanation doesn't even fit Pike's next line about her "learning all regulations by Day 2". The best retcon is that Pike was lying to test her, given that, as far as we know, Pike isn't given any other 'smoking gun' evidence that she's an impostor, yet his wink indicates he knows at season's end.

Also, Pike's talk with Boyce in Cage works best as a mid 30s captain dealing with the brutality of command in a relatively new way, not a mid 50s commander who's well versed in the multiple fatalities of commanding missions. Not to mention there are biological differences between a 50 year old male and 30 year old male reproductively, which affects the Talosians' Cage plot.
 
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Mr. Laser Beam said:
Why assume Pike (or any character, for that matter) has to be the same age as the actor playing him?
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No one should in Trek. Picard is much older than Patrick Stewart and the character will be 90+ in his upcoming show.

As for Pike, Mendez clumsily (and mistakenly) said Pike was around Kirk's age of 34 in Menagerie (although logically this would have to be around the time of the Cage when he was that age).
 
David cgc said:
But they're not complaining about Anson Mount's age, they're complaining that Pike is an academy classmate of Georgiou, who is in her mid-fifties in DSC (born 2202, according to the file Voq finds in the wrecked Shenzhou), and attended the Academy between ages 18 and 22 (same source), so if Pike is Anson Mount's age, he would've been out drinking with her when he was 12, at most, barring fanwank (Pike was lying to test her! She was an instructor who got blackout drunk with students!).
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I went to college when I was 18... and then went back a second time when I was 30. Maybe Georgiou went back to the Academy for advanced training at some point.
 
The Wormhole said:
You saying the Enterprise's fighter squadron were drones? I thought they had pilots.
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They had both piloted shuttles and drone fighters.

Personally I'm much happier to see a Trek story that acknowledges the existence of combat drones than something like those DS9 episodes where 24th-century soldiers were still using WWII ground-combat methods and didn't even have body armor or helmets.
 
Christopher said:
Personally I'm much happier to see a Trek story that acknowledges the existence of combat drones than something like those DS9 episodes where 24th-century soldiers were still using WWII ground-combat methods and didn't even have body armor or helmets.
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Agree that seeing the introduction of drones and such is good, and agree that the troops we see in DS9 were ill-equipped at best. I was issued better suited uniforms and equipment in the Army nearly 40 years ago than those poor slobs seemed to have. I do imagine, though, that the infantry role in combat is likely to exist in one form or another for some time to come. Drones and airstrikes are great force multipliers, but if you want to take and hold on to territory, boots on the ground is still the way to go.
 
Christopher said:
Personally I'm much happier to see a Trek story that acknowledges the existence of combat drones than something like those DS9 episodes where 24th-century soldiers were still using WWII ground-combat methods and didn't even have body armor or helmets.
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Mysterion said:
Agree that seeing the introduction of drones and such is good, and agree that the troops we see in DS9 were ill-equipped at best. I was issued better suited uniforms and equipment in the Army nearly 40 years ago than those poor slobs seemed to have.
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Badly-written and self-inconsistent future combat, you say? (timestamp 3:31)
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Started reading the ENT novel Rosetta by Dave Stern for the very first time just the other day (a season-four storyline, which takes place between the episodes "Bound" and the "Demons"/"Terra Prime" two-parter, approximately concurrently with "In a Mirror, Darkly"), when I came across this particular passage, where Malcolm Reed is speaking to a pair of Bynars:
[...] Software agents. Reed knew about them, in theory. The covert section of Starfleet he had worked for had been working on several prototypes. But they were still in the experimental stages. The danger, of course, with an intelligent software agent was that it would keep learning past its designed parameters, achieve real independence, a life of its own. Like in that movie Trip had shown a few weeks back -- The Forbin Project. The computer that took over the world.

(p.156)
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Holy shit. :eek::alienblush: And this novel was published way back in February, 2006 (and probably written in mid-to-late 2005, not long after the TV series ended). Incredible creative coincidence, here.
 
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Several of the differences between Pike's Enterprises are addressed (some more directly than others) in our upcoming novel, and today I'm pleased to announce we have a cover.

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Alan Dingman is the designer. The book's out July 30 -- and if all the stars align, I will be able to get some for Shore Leave, which I can now confirm that I am attending. (Preorder links and more details at http://bit.ly/EnterpriseWar)
 
Thanks -- the board seems to require images to be hosted somewhere else, and the only place I have the image at the moment is on Twitter. (I'm also in the passenger seat of a car on the interstate at the moment -- not exactly the timing I was expecting for the cover reveal today!)
 
JJMiller said:
Several of the differences between Pike's Enterprises are addressed (some more directly than others) in our upcoming novel, and today I'm pleased to announce we have a cover.

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Alan Dingman is the designer. The book's out July 30 -- and if all the stars align, I will be able to get some for Shore Leave, which I can now confirm that I am attending. (Preorder links and more details at http://bit.ly/EnterpriseWar)
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Do you address the Yeoman Colt issue?
 
What's on the printed page is really my answer to that question, so I don't want to get ahead of it. I'm sure I'll be back around to discuss a lot of topics once more people (well, any people, besides those behind the scenes) have read the book!
 
JJMiller said:
Several of the differences between Pike's Enterprises are addressed (some more directly than others) in our upcoming novel, and today I'm pleased to announce we have a cover.
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Yay. Been really looking forward to the book in and of itself (have liked your Star Wars stuff overall and really interested in the book's premise), and I've come to really appreciate these tie-ins paving over some of the oddities between the old and new shows.
 
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