Except Nebula still being around with all her memories from that timeline. And I don't recall Gamora turning to dust, though she wasn't there at the end unless there's something I missed, the Galaxy crew thinks she's out there somewhere.
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Except Nebula still being around with all her memories from that timeline. And I don't recall Gamora turning to dust, though she wasn't there at the end unless there's something I missed, the Galaxy crew thinks she's out there somewhere.
Nebula from that timeline died before Tony's snap. The Nebula who's still around is the original - though she actually could have some of the other's altered memories, since the two's brains were apparently linked. Gamora does 'disappear' at the end (not in the snap, she's just kind of gone), which I think was an odd choice, but she probably is still alive somewhere. The important point, though, is that she's alive somewhere in the Avengers' timeline, not in the timeline she came from because that timeline no longer exists. And technically never did, except for when she and Thanos' army came from it.
It is a time travel story, after all. There has to be something that makes your brain hurt.
And she definitely switched sides, so she's certainly not missing Thanos.
No, the Nebula from our timeline killed the Nebula from the other timeline.
I'm not sure the two Nebula's memories would be all that different. Like, until the instant their brains got entangled, past Nebula was the same person as present Nebula was, just 9 years younger. The only thing she experienced that was any different was going into the future and getting shot by herself and that all took all of half a day at most.
As for Gamora, I think her leaving makes sense given that aside from Nebula, she had no idea who any of those people were. I suspect her arc going forward will be her trying to find out who she is in a universe without Thanos, maybe try to atone for some of the things she did as his daughter. Ironically I think it'll be Nebula that helps her find herself again, which is a fun reversal from GotGv2.
Maybe they'll somehow revisit the soul stone because it does raise a question: do two 4th dimensional instances of the same individual have separate souls, or is part of past Gamora still stuck in the soul dimansion?
Cap has the GPS locator thingy. Basically it allows him to go the exact timeline from where they left since they have it's quantum coordinates. Presumably it also allows him to travel back to prime timeline after Peggy died without needing the platform as well.
By 'original', I meant the 2019 Nebula rather than the 2014 one who didn't belong in 2019. But I can see how it was a confusing choice of words. The point being, simply, that there is only one Nebula left and she didn't have 'all her memories from that timeline', unless she happened to download the other Nebula's memory before she died.
But she remembered it exists, is my point. She remembers all the things that happened to her there.
And if that branch now never existed, then the effects of that timeline should be wiped out. But it seemed clear to me Gamora was permanently resurrected and maybe left because she didn’t want to be surrounded by people who feel intimacy to her she can’t return.
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Assuming she's still alive, this Gamora wasn't exactly resurrected so much as never sacrificed in the first place.
Something just occurred to me.....
How was Captain America able to use Mjolnir like Thor?
How was Captain America able to use Mjolnir like Thor?
He's worthy.
As I understand it, it's been said he'd always been able to fully lift/use it, just in the scene in AoU he showed humility for the sake of Thor's ego.
I don't buy that. In my head canon, he was being held back from lifting the hammer by the secret he was keeping from Tony. It was when he dropped the shield in Civil War, when he held onto what he believed in rather than the accoutrements that had been handed him, that he overcame that and became worthy. Some might say that Bucky wasn't worthy (heh) of that sacrifice due to his actions as the Winter Soldier, but as T'Challa himself said, Bucky was just as much of a victim as his father. He neither asked to be the Winter Soldier, nor had any choice in the actions he took.
I just don't think that's how it works. The effects are already part of 'our' timeline's past, so they can't be changed by the prevention of the other timeline.
As for Gamora, I agree that's probably the intention, I just find it strange she would leave Nebula behind so casually.
Therein lies the inconsistency though. They go out of the way to say it doesn’t work like other movies, you can’t go to the past and change the present. But then they apply those rules to the stones but not to Thanos.
They brought jack the stones, they did not bring back Thanos.
Which makes it no worse than any other time travel movie, after trying to make it clear it was not like other time travel movies. I wouldn’t have a problem with inconsistent time travel rules if the movie had not bragged about not having inconsistent time travel rules.
At least we should have a divergent timeline where Thanos disappears in 2014.
Yeah, the Russos explanation really does feel like an after the fact excuse, I like yours a lot better.
I'll let Odin answer this one...
Keep in mind that as extensive as it was, the epilogue only gave us particular glimpses of the aftermath and we have no real context for the time frame. Tony's funeral could have been days, or weeks after the battle. Plenty of time for the two sisters to talk and spend time before Gamora left. All we see is that by the time Thor leaves, she's gone and Quill was searching for her on the data streams.
She could have literally just left on another ship the day before, had Strange portal her to a world of her choice, or gone off with Carol on some adventure. Also, just because Quill has no idea where she's gone, doesn't mean Nebula doesn't know either.
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Thanks. That actually makes sense!
No time travel story withstands scrutiny and it’s best for everyone’s blood pressure to simply take the story as given without over thinking it.
I agree, but the movie gloats about not being as janky as Back to the Future and other movies.
