Spoilers Game of Thrones: The Final Season

[The Nth Doctor]

Stolen from Twitter:

"Next week on Game of Thrones: The War of the Non-Canon Sarah Connors."

My immediate thought is neither will win. Instead, Linda Hamilton will suddenly appear with a new hoard of dragons and shows the world that she's the long-lost sister of Aerys Targaryen!

Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I really want this to happen. Logic be damned!

 

[crookeddy]

I like how you skip over the ACTUAL form of killing... Crucifixion isn't like chopping a head off or a firing squad. It's deliberately cruel and painful. And that's what she choose for execution.

Sorta like something Cersei would do.

Makes it hard to tell who is the crazy one.

But, if it's all about eye for an eye, revenge, blah blah, then, there's really no moral high ground, is there?

It would be considered a war crime if you crucified a Nazi. It's one of the reason why we put Nazis on trial... for crimes against humanity.

But, yeah, Daenerys just had no other options.... lol.

She felt that the only way to end this cycle of violence is with one final round of extreme cruelty. I still don't see her as the villain of the story. It's just another gray area - she'd make a decent queen, but Jon would be better, so why back her?

That is the position Varys took.

 

[Professor Zoom]

She felt that the only way to end this cycle of violence is with one final round of extreme cruelty.

Yeah because that always works...
I think she also feels that way because she really wants to hurt people... people that have wronged her, people she can't trust, people that are in the way of her and her crown...

In other words, she's practically the same side of the coin as Cersei.

I still don't see her as the villain of the story. It's just another gray area - she'd make a decent queen, but Jon would be better, so why back her?

That is the position Varys took.

I don't see her as a villain either. Other than Cersei and that Roosey Boltony guy, I don't think the show quite trades in villains and heroes. If anything, she's a tragic hero. Her strength--her unflagging pursuit of the throne--has become her weakness. She's now blind to the cruelty. She don't give a fuck.

I think she's like that quote from The Dark Knight, Dany has lived too long, she's no longer the hero, she has become the villain.

When you say, "Hey, those peasants, who don't have anything, they should've known better than to accept protection from Cersei, I'm gonna burn those fuckers..." you aren't really a hero....

 

[Charles Phipps]

I like how you skip over the ACTUAL form of killing... Crucifixion isn't like chopping a head off or a firing squad. It's deliberately cruel and painful. And that's what she choose for execution.

Sorta like something Cersei would do.

Makes it hard to tell who is the crazy one.

But, if it's all about eye for an eye, revenge, blah blah, then, there's really no moral high ground, is there?

It would be considered a war crime if you crucified a Nazi. It's one of the reason why we put Nazis on trial... for crimes against humanity.

But, yeah, Daenerys just had no other options.... lol.

You're asking if I consider torturing a Nazi to death wrong. Yes. I'm also a pacifist and against the death penalty.

Calling people who kill mass murderers and childkillers evil, though, is a ludicrous position and the worst of a limousine liberal stereptype.

Especially on this show.

 

[Professor Zoom]

You're asking if I consider torturing a Nazi to death wrong. Yes. I'm also a pacifist and against the death penalty.

Calling people who kill mass murderers and childkillers evil, though, is a ludicrous position and the worst of a limousine liberal stereptype.

Where and when did I call her evil?

And, again, seriously, how many times do I have to repeat myself, I'm not calling her out for executing people, I'm calling her out for HOW she chose to execute those people.

Oh, what's next, calling me a SJW? Can't argue without name calling?

 

[crookeddy]

Where and when did I call her evil?

And, again, seriously, how many times do I have to repeat myself, I'm not calling her out for executing people, I'm calling her out for HOW she chose to execute those people.

Oh, what's next, calling me a SJW? Can't argue without name calling?

You must be an MRA because you don't support a woman!!!!!

 

[Mr Awe]

You DON'T have to go back and retroactively make Dany "bad" or "mad" to make the story work. If you do, you're removing all the shades of grey.

I agree with everything you wrote. Very well said! I'll just comment on this last bit. I would say that her story pre-Westeros did show that she was a typical monarch despite her protestations otherwise and comments about breaking the wheel. She demanded loyalty and bending the knee and all that. It was a one-way street. And, you could see the ruthlessness that was there beneath the surface. She's not the worst ruler by any means but as some one I'd like to hang out with, no thanks.

As you say, this wasn't a serious problem the character before Westeros because given her opponents, it was easy to root for her. But, once she came to Westeros, it's a source of conflict. I, too, think it's very cool how it's come together.

 

[Professor Zoom]

You must be an MRA because you don't support a woman!!!!!

The name calling doesn’t bother me. It’s silly. But, it annoys me the central point keeps getting ignored. Or rather, not addressed.

Dany doesn’t have any more claim to the moral high ground than some of the characters we agree are terrible because of the choices she makes. Like crucifixion. Or burning people with dragon fire who clearly have surrendered but choose not to bend the knee.

 

[Mr Awe]

In other words, she's practically the same side of the coin as Cersei.

I'd agree in general except she's not quite there yet. I could see that given enough conflict, threats, and fear, yeah, she'd become exactly like Cersei.

Let's face it, a lot of the Westeros story is that it is such a crappy place that it does horrible things to people. It's hard to be a good person there. You'll probably end up dead or severely compromised to avoid being dead!

The interesting thing is that recent events might be enough to push Dany to become Cersei. We'll find out Sunday. Maybe she is there!

 

[LaxScrutiny]

And poor Ghost the way Jon treated him.

Since Season 2 Ghost has wandered off away from Jon North of the Wall for up to year at a time.

I swear, some people won't be satisfied until the show spends about 15-20 minutes where we watch Jon and Ghost playing Frisbee with one of the dead Unsullied's shields. I suppose there could be a voice over with Varys and Tyrion concocting some plot for the rest of us..

 

[Refuge]

Since Season 2 Ghost has wandered off away from Jon North of the Wall for up to year at a time.

I swear, some people won't be satisfied until the show spends about 15-20 minutes where we watch Jon and Ghost playing Frisbee with one of the dead Unsullied's shields. I suppose there could be a voice over with Varys and Tyrion concocting some plot for the rest of us..

How about 15-20 seconds to acknowledge a bond? Okay I don't watch BUT have been reading the disappointment...

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

So do one Sarah Connor and her terminator get terminated next episode and the other Sarah Connor becomes the new night terminator in the final episode?When and how does Winter end?

 

[crookeddy]

How about 15-20 seconds to acknowledge a bond? Okay I don't watch BUT have been reading the disappointment...

It would be a very expensive 15-20 seconds given the CG required.

 

[Refuge]

It would be a very expensive 15-20 seconds given the CG required.

I guess I don't have a wolf in this fight but I just read some stuff and some fans were invested and just wanted something.

Steps out of the thread

 

[theenglish]

I don’t think Dany is acting out of character; she’s spent all this time pushing forward to get back to Westeros and when she finally does, she’s met with a less-than-rosy response. Likewise, I think Sansa is completely in character defending The North’s right to sovereignty to Dany after everything she’s been through and the blood spilled retaking it from The Boltons.

You DON'T have to go back and retroactively make Dany "bad" or "mad" to make the story work. If you do, you're removing all the shades of grey.

Just a thought…

Yet, if she actually believed that the person who was meant to be on throne should be on the throne, she wouldn't have said what she said to Jon. It is not that Daenerys is good or bad--like most characters on the show, she has elements of both. She's complex. The drama now is to see on what side of the scale she ends up and she could go either way.

 

[USS Firefly]

Since Season 2 Ghost has wandered off away from Jon North of the Wall for up to year at a time.

I swear, some people won't be satisfied until the show spends about 15-20 minutes where we watch Jon and Ghost playing Frisbee with one of the dead Unsullied's shields. I suppose there could be a voice over with Varys and Tyrion concocting some plot for the rest of us..

Wow why the exaggeration for a reasonable question?
Ghost helped and protect Jon from the start, is a pet on the head or something too much to ask?

 

[Infern0]

She felt that the only way to end this cycle of violence is with one final round of extreme cruelty. I still don't see her as the villain of the story. It's just another gray area - she'd make a decent queen, but Jon would be better, so why back her?

That is the position Varys took.

Lol Dany is an extreme narcissist, she occasionally makes "nice" moves when it benefits her but she cares little for anyone or anything besides her own power, she even has a codependent, Stockholm syndrome dude in jorah, and the whole point of the entire saga is that she's gradually slipping further into insanity and Jon is going to have to put her down.

The show writers may be taking a different approach to the whole thing, but "A song of ice and fire" is JON SNOWS story, the writers have messed up the story loads already, Arya stark killing the night king etc, probably we will have Dany sitting on the throne come seasons end with the "song of ice and fire" himself as her lapdog

 

[BlueStuff]

It would be a very expensive 15-20 seconds given the CG required.

Yet they can afford a five minute scene involving Jon and Daenerys riding their dragons and then making out in front of them?

 

[Starkers]

So in terms of how this will all end, and apologies if anyone else has said this (and it wouldn't surprise me if they had) surely when George RR Martin talks about a bittersweet ending the most logical way that'd play out would be with Jon, the man who never wanted to be king, ending up alone on a throne he never wanted.

If that does happen I think we'll realise that Martin's basically just been remaking The Godfather (but with dragons) this whole time, with Jon as Michael Corleone.

 

[crookeddy]

Yet they can afford a five minute scene involving Jon and Daenerys riding their dragons and then making out in front of them?

Yes, that's actually a lot easier to do. You will see if you watch the extras.