Poll Avengers: Endgame vs Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker global box office

[Jedi Marso]

As big a SW fan as I've been in the past, this is no contest. The MCU is this generation's SW. Thanos's snap was their "I'm your father" moment.

Episode IX isn't even going to come close.

The sad thing? Disney wins either way.

 

[EnderAKH]

Even in the 90s there was usually one "summer blockbuster" each year

Wha huh?
Summer 1989 Intended blockbusters:
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
License to Kill (James Bond)
Ghostbusters II
Batman
The Karate Kid Part III
Lethal Weapon 2
The Abyss

Summer 1989 smaller classic movies released:
Dead Poet's Society
Honey I Shrunk The Kids
Do The Right Thing
Weekend at Bernie's
When Harry Met Sally
UHF
Turner & Hooch
Parenthood
Uncle Buck
Sex, Lies and Videotape

That is a LOT of good movies in one summer.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Wha huh?
Summer 1989 Intended blockbusters:
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
License to Kill (James Bond)
Ghostbusters II
Batman
The Karate Kid Part III
Lethal Weapon 2
The Abyss

Summer 1989 smaller classic movies released:
Dead Poet's Society
Honey I Shrunk The Kids
Do The Right Thing
Weekend at Bernie's
When Harry Met Sally
UHF
Turner & Hooch
Parenthood
Uncle Buck
Sex, Lies and Videotape

That is a LOT of good movies in one summer.

It was a thing that Honey I Shrunk the Kids did well because people couldn’t get into sold out screenings of Batman and went to it.

 

[Anwar]

As big a SW fan as I've been in the past, this is no contest. The MCU is this generation's SW. Thanos's snap was their "I'm your father" moment.

Episode IX isn't even going to come close.

The sad thing? Disney wins either way.

On top of that, they corrected the errors of the OT SW movies so their series is more sustainable and don't have big issues like setting up new characters or a major time skip that SW had. The MCU won't have problems carrying on whereas SW has never been able to carry on well after ROTJ.

 

[Smellmet]

On top of that, they corrected the errors of the OT SW movies so their series is more sustainable and don't have big issues like setting up new characters or a major time skip that SW had. The MCU won't have problems carrying on whereas SW has never been able to carry on well after ROTJ.

Absolutely. They've painted themselves into a corner with either mining nostalgia with RO and solo with very mixed box office results (but good movies) or just resetting the outcome of ROTJ and effectively telling the stories all over again - and it shows with the sequel trilogy. The MCU is the absolute gold standard in how to do this and has blown everone else out of the water and are all left scratching their heads trying to copy it and catch up.

To be fair to SW the notion of a cinematic universe didn't exist back then but it does on the surface seem to me that this sequel trilogy has been made up as its gone along every bit as much as the OT was. I think palpatines return without a single mention of him in TFA and TLJ is evidence of this.

 

[JD]

Wha huh?
Summer 1989 Intended blockbusters:
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
License to Kill (James Bond)
Ghostbusters II
Batman
The Karate Kid Part III
Lethal Weapon 2
The Abyss

Summer 1989 smaller classic movies released:
Dead Poet's Society
Honey I Shrunk The Kids
Do The Right Thing
Weekend at Bernie's
When Harry Met Sally
UHF
Turner & Hooch
Parenthood
Uncle Buck
Sex, Lies and Videotape

That is a LOT of good movies in one summer.

Not a bad line up, but I believe in SFF circles at least, 1982 is pretty much considered the greatest year ever.There were a ton of SFF, and non-SFF movies, that year that have gone on to be classics.
Here's what I found on Wikipedia:
The Beastmaster
Blade Runner
Conan the Barbarian
The Dark Crystal
ET
The Last Unicorn
Poltergeist
The Secret of NIMN
The Wrath of Khan
The Thing
Tron

Non-SFF
The Year of Living Danergously
Victor/Victoria
Tootsie
Sophie's Choice
Rocky III
An Officer and a Gentleman
Ghandi
First Blood aka Rambo I
Fast Times at Ridgemont High
Diner
Annie
48 Hours

 

[EnderAKH]

Not a bad line up, but I believe in SFF circles at least, 1982 is pretty much considered the greatest year ever.There were a ton of SFF, and non-SFF movies, that year that have gone on to be classics.
Here's what I found on Wikipedia:
The Beastmaster
Blade Runner
Conan the Barbarian
The Dark Crystal
ET
The Last Unicorn
Poltergeist
The Secret of NIMN
The Wrath of Khan
The Thing
Tron

Non-SFF
The Year of Living Danergously
Victor/Victoria
Tootsie
Sophie's Choice
Rocky III
An Officer and a Gentleman
Ghandi
First Blood aka Rambo I
Fast Times at Ridgemont High
Diner
Annie
48 Hours

Oh totally! But '89 has a soft spot for me because in summer '82 I was 8, but in summer '89 I was 15 with friends who could drive, and Batman was HUGE in my life at the time. But take '82 or '89 and the idea that they were doing one blockbuster per summer back then is just insane.

 

[publiusr]

There did seem to be more time from the 80s-to the-90s than just a decande--and not just because--as younger--we see time differently.

There was as much time between 2011's THE THING and 1982's as there was between the original in the 50's toCarpenter's
Yet more happened.

Each decade had a theme--but everything runs together now.

 

[fireproof78]

The MCU is the absolute gold standard in how to do this and has blown everone else out of the water and are all left scratching their heads trying to copy it and catch up.

People need to stop doing this. Not that Hollywood ever learns.

 

[ITDUDE]

People need to stop doing this. Not that Hollywood ever learns.

It's the gold standard of last 10 years at least, that's for sure. Will it still be 10 years from now? If I were to bet money on it, I would say no. But until it is replaced with something better it is at the top, and everyone else is in-fact trying to catch up (and proving actually how difficult it is to duplicate what MCU achieved)

 

[ichab]

Not sure what happened to the Endgame thread, but I thought it was a solid B+. I teared up at three different times. I think they could of trimmed a few scenes and added that time to the big final battle, but overall another solid effort from Marvel.

 

[fireproof78]

It's the gold standard of last 10 years at least, that's for sure. Will it still be 10 years from now? If I were to bet money on it, I would say no. But until it is replaced with something better it is at the top, and everyone else is in-fact trying to catch up (and proving actually how difficult it is to duplicate what MCU achieved)

As long as it makes money people will try to duplicate it. Which is Hollywood's pattern for as long as I have studied them. It's a ridiculous behavior because one merely need to look at Star Trek and the success of TWOK to note that trying to recreate it is not a guarantee of success.

But no-fans will just clamor for the Marvel model and Hollywood will blindly oblige out of fear.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Star Wars has given up on creative continuity.

Mind you I don’t mean the kind of continuity meaning “Consistency of story points”. I mean having a cohesive vision. Force Awakens was a New Hope retread. Last Jedi was a “Let’s extricate the Jedi and Skywalker family from the story and make something new”. Based on the title of IX it’s “Nevermind it’s all about the Skywalker line still”. And the side films also totally different.

No consistent vision.

 

[Anwar]

Star Wars has given up on creative continuity.

Mind you I don’t mean the kind of continuity meaning “Consistency of story points”. I mean having a cohesive vision. Force Awakens was a New Hope retread. Last Jedi was a “Let’s extricate the Jedi and Skywalker family from the story and make something new”. Based on the title of IX it’s “Nevermind it’s all about the Skywalker line still”. And the side films also totally different.

No consistent vision.

Thank Lucas for that, he sat on his hand for 15 years to give us Prequels we probably should've gotten in the late 80s and never bothered making Sequels when the best time to make them was in the early 90s. And when he DID make the Prequels he damaged SW's reputation enough that Disney felt the only way to repair the damage was redo the OT.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

The prequels actually had a pretty good vision. Just, vision with bad writing is worse than no vision with good writing.

 

[crookeddy]

As the novelizations show, there was potential in the prequels. However there are some serious issues with the overall plot.

 

[fireproof78]

Star Wars has given up on creative continuity.

Mind you I don’t mean the kind of continuity meaning “Consistency of story points”. I mean having a cohesive vision. Force Awakens was a New Hope retread. Last Jedi was a “Let’s extricate the Jedi and Skywalker family from the story and make something new”. Based on the title of IX it’s “Nevermind it’s all about the Skywalker line still”. And the side films also totally different.

No consistent vision.

When I see the end product I'll judge the vision. Until then, I am highly reluctant to say this.

 

[crookeddy]

When I see the end product I'll judge the vision. Until then, I am highly reluctant to say this.

Right. Everyone is assuming that Disney is throwing Rian Johnson's ideas away, but we don't know that yet.

It does seem likely though :-(

 

[EnderAKH]

Not sure what happened to the Endgame thread

Pinned at the top, temporarily closed.

 

[fireproof78]

Right. Everyone is assuming that Disney is throwing Rian Johnson's ideas away, but we don't know that yet.

It does seem likely though :-(

Since the person actually in charge of TFA, and TLJ is still in charge of TRoS I'm not putting any stock in this assumption.