Spoilers Avengers: Endgame grade and discussion thread

I mean, obviously

In all seriousness, I'm not watching it so I'm sure people are just out watching it and post later. I have no interest, aside from people's reactions.

 

Just back from seeing it and I loved it.

I'm glad we went for the 11 showing though. The queue was long enough (The 3d showing slightly quieter), but when we came out, it felt like half the city was in the next queue

As others have said, there's a lot of fan service, but I appreciated it and it was good to see Carter and Jarvis back too.

 

Natasha not getting a big funeral/memorial is like Scott not asking Cassie about Maggie and Jim. Just because it didn’t happen on screen doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

 

Gave this film, "Avengers: Endgame," a grade of "A."

First a question: Tony Stark brought everyone back, but in their present (5 years after they vanished). At the end they show Peter Parker heading back to high school and Ned is the same age. Factor in the trailer that's out for the next Spiderman movie showing everyone is the same age as before. Even if half of them vanished, some would have aged and been in college. Did I miss something?

I liked how they wrapped everything up. Very saddened it meant the death of Black Widow. Tony Stark's passing I was prepared for. Steve Roger's resolution reminded me of the Christopher Reeve-Jane Seymour film "Somewhere In Time" (1979). He went back and had a life with his true love. Very much a reward of happiness he deserved. I guess Thor will be in Guardians 3 (). Hawkeye got his family back but lost his best friend. Was kind of hoping there would be a way to bring back The Vision.

I loved them Showing Captain America being worthy of Thor's hammer and the two of them fighting side by side. A little disappointed with Professor Hulk as it, to me, excised the raw dynamic animal magnetism and charm of the character. Mark Ruffalo is great actor, however, on his own he is a pretty subdued guy. Subdued Hulk is boring to me. Glad Scarlet Witch got some revenge on Thanos.

I thought the "girl power" scene was fantastic!

LOVED THE STAN LEE CAMEO!

The film went by pretty quick considering it's 3 hour runtime.

I loved how they coped to Deus Ex Machina in the film. In film, as in life, it's the coverup that gets you. By openly having Stark mentioning it and making a part of the movie itself really takes it off the table as a criticism. Smart move by the Russo Brothers.

Sad to learn "Back To The Future" was a lie.

 

I believe the five year return thing is one of those things like Kang conquering the USA.

We don't speak of it.

 

I didn’t get any sense of Hulk’s personality in PH, and IINM PH referred to Banner in the first person and Hulk in the third person. It seems the Hulk personality was killed when Banner took over the body.

 

Not at all. Past Thanos was erased 5 years after the events of "Avengers: Infinity War". Tony Stark explained how no matter which direction you travel in time the past is the past whether your past is actually the future or the past. The big question they really didn't answer was where everyone who vanished went. Peter Parker stated they were conscious and able to converse with each other. Quantum realm?

 

There are a whole range of ramifications I doubt ever get mentioned - people come back and their spouse has remarried, family members have moved or committed suicide etc.

 

Probably still in the theater. If you include everything this is close to a four hour movie experience.

 

Yup. The whole thing is pretty dark, no matter how you turn it.
We‘ll see how much this is addressed in a few months time.

 

I really liked the part when Captain America whispered Hail Hydra to the Hydra agents. That was a nod to the comics.

 

For me it's weird because ok, spiderman far from home is I belive set before infinity war, guardians 3 will be off in space so probably won't deal with much earth fallout.

It feels like the next earth MCU movie after endgame, dealing with the fallout SHOULD be Iron man 4, for me, but obviously that can't happen.

I just feel like the world is going to have changed a lot, and the audience would want Tony, or maybe Cap to be leading the film dealing with that.

I'm not wording this very well but yeah, I think when dealing with this heavy subject it's going to be hard without the heart (cap) or soul (tony)

I guess Dr Strange might be the best pick

 

There's actually an ongoing Marvel comic titled Asgardians of the Galaxy these days, featuring the original Valkyrie, the Executioner, and even the Frog of Thunder!

 

It's been confirmed as taking place post Endgame. Like right afterwards. It is the epilogue of this era of the MCU according to Fiege.

 

Rat! Ah-ah
Savior of the universe
Rat! Ah-ah
He'll save everyone of us
Rat! Ah-ah
He's a miracle
Rat! Ah-ah
King of the impossible

 

The impression I got (it was a lot to take in, so I may have misheard) was that Peter remembered being dusted and then he was back and Strange was saying "it's been 5 years, now lets go they need us" or words to that effect. So they weren't conscious of the interim, it's just that Strange knew how long they'd been gone because he'd already seen this possible future.

And it's not like the movie even skated around it either. The kid on the bike that Scott ran across, Joe Russo's cameo part with the guy that was going on a date for the first time in 5 years. Children would have been orphaned, parents left childless, widows and widowers may have remarried and that's all just in terms of personal and familial relationships. How do you even begin to sort out the legal, economic and political fallout of this whole thing?
This is why I was so sure they'd his the reset button with only the surviving Avengers having any memory of it.
The implications are vast, especially if you apply that to the entire universe. What's the state of the Kree Empire? I can see the non-snapped Skrulls going full-on berserker militant after half of their already tiny population vanished. Zandar was presumably down to a quarter of what they were, how has their entire infrastructure not collapsed?

 

Btw, not sure if anyone here has posted about this, but Google is doing something really unusual for Endgame.

If you google "Thanos" you'll get about 112,000,000 hits, and a small summary that includes a clip-art image of his infinity stone encrusted glove. If you click the glove, something happens...

 

I'm surprised they didn't go that route - I wonder if they have a problem with spree killers who have lost track of reality and think the returned aren't real.

 

There are a lot of interesting angles for the films (and the upcoming shows) to explore and I certainly hope they at least try to instead of brushing it off. However, for anyone who is curious about how a society would react to such a cataclysmic event, I highly recommend watching The Leftovers.