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How do you rate Avengers: Endgame?


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I enjoyed the comic nods of the movie.
The Secret Wars cover homage with all the weight on Hulk's back, Starlin's cameo, everything with the mergef Hulk (I hate the retcon with the word "professor") especially the black muscle shirt, Cap finally getting a chainmail look, Rescue... you can tell everybody behind the scenes are fans!
 
Good movie but with so many holes in it. If past Thanos got erased then the last Avenger Movie never happened, Thor taking his hammer from Thor 2 movie changing that timeline are just a few. Hated this Hulk an he didnt get his payback from the last movie.
 
Whatever it's flaws, that final battle - phew!

Thanos (minus stones) stood up to is comic book rendition. One-on-one battle he dominated.
 
More or less. I actually think it's more important to watch them in release order because they flow better that way.
I generally agree and was just being hypothetical with my above example.

However, there is an exception to that (IMHO) in phase 2. In phase 2, release order goes from the Dark World , to the Winter Soldier, to the first Guardians, and then to Age of Ultron. Nothing wrong with that order, but I personally feel that the story flows better if you switch Winter Soldier and Guardians because Dark World's end credit scene with the Collector flows into the first Guardians and Winter Soldier's post credit scene with Wanda and Pietro flows into Age of Ultron. YMMV, as always.

An argument can also be made in phase one for watching Iron Man 2 right after the first Iron Man and before the Incredible Hulk due to continuity issues with Tony Stark's consultant position with SHIELD, but again, YMMV.
 
Why not? Aside from Nebula, she doesn't know that group from shit.

She doesn't know anyone in this time from shit. She was taken from the point in her life where she had nothing other than Thanos and Nebula, and the movie made it pretty clear she'd let go of Thanos a long time ago and long been holding out hope for a real relationship with Nebula. Now she can live free of Thanos AND have an actual relationship with her sister and she just skips out for random wandering? That makes no sense. I still think they sent her back in time.

I'm going to admit disappointment. It felt like all the dramatic deaths were Han Solo-driven.

"This actor wanted out of the series."

ScarJo literally isn't leaving the series at all...
 
Some more musings on my end.....

I am so happy past-Nebula was NOT convinced to join Gamoro and future-Nebula. You could see the doubt in her eyes, but if she had joined them both against Thanos so easily, it would have negated the entire story-arc on how much hard work and soulsearching it took Nebula to move beyond her fears, doubts and anger.

Clint and Natascha..... It only now really makes sense to me that Nat was the one that would sacrifice herself like that. I was always under the impression it was Clint, and people like him in SHIELD like Fury, that saved her from the live she had. People who showed her compassion, love, friendship. That she was a person in her own right. They showed her humanity. And for her, when it comes to those people, to humanity, she has red in her ledger. This was her paying that off, I felt.

Oh, a fun little tidbit..... I heard through a friend that Chris Evans is actually pretty annoyed by the entire 'I can do this all day' line. So, he reaction to past-Steve using that line is even funnier to me now. :D
 
Did anyone notice how bad-ASS Thanos was? He could wield Stormbreaker

That's not weird though. A lot of fans still think that, like Mjolnir, only Thor can lift Stormbreaker. But Stormbreaker doesn't have the same enchantment Mjolnir has, which was done by Odin. Nobody has to be worthy to pick up Stormbreaker.
 
Good movie but with so many holes in it. If past Thanos got erased then the last Avenger Movie never happened, Thor taking his hammer from Thor 2 movie changing that timeline are just a few. Hated this Hulk an he didnt get his payback from the last movie.

They already said in the movie that's not how time travel works. They can't change their present by changing the past. Everytime they went into the past and made a change it would change a divergent separate timeline.

The teams time travel to 2012, 2013, and 2014. If you go 'butterfly effect' then no matter of the smallest changes that's 3 possible 'divergent' alternate timelines they created just by setting foot in each time period.

2012 NY battle had a divergent timeline created for sure because Loki escaped with the stone.

2013 Asgard was that enough to create a divergent timeline? If you go by butterfly effect impact just them breathing and existing in the timeline would be enough to make it splinter/change. BTW, people don't seem to realize the reason why Steve took Thor's hammer with him was to also return the hammer to the proper timeline along with the infinity stone that was injected into Jane.

2014 Guardians of the Galaxy : *THIS* is the timeline that is most heavily altered going forward. This timeline no longer has a Thanos because this timelines Thanos traveled to the future and was killed.

Them killing Thanos has no impact on their own timeline.

Steve returning the Infinity stones (and Thor's hammer) to the proper timelines isn't about making sure the MCU timeline doesn't change. It's making sure those alternate timelines can go forward with their infinity stones restored to them.
 
The ending didn't make much sense to me - so it's five years later and they snap everyone back.

Peter goes to school and his friends are all there...except... Shouldn't they all graduated as five years have passed?
 
,There's a key line from the Ancient One that is being overlooked in the discussion of time travel mechanics. She says "The Infinity Stones create what you experience as the flow of time. Remove one of the stones and that flow splits."

To me this says that you can only create a divergent timeline by removing a stone. Otherwise you have always been part of the past and your actions always happened.

How does this apply in the movie? A new 2012 timeline was created when they removed the mind and time stone. In this timeline Loki escapes with the Space stone. There is also divergent 1970 and Thor 2 timelines, but both of those are Extremely simmilar to the original since Cap returned the stones with minimal disruptions. The Last divergent timeline is the one created in 2014 by removing the Power stone, this is the one that is now missing Thanos and is probably a really chill place to live.

After returning the stones Cap travels back to about 1950. He removes no stones so no new timeline was created. He was always there in the past in the original timeline. That's why he was able to live to the present without having to use the pad to get back to the right universe.

There's only one problem, where did the new shield come from? Simple, it's new. Probably had Black Panther make a new one after the unsnap. It's not identical there are some small design details on the points of the star that are new I think.
 
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It‘s actually pretty neat.
It allows them to cram a lot of movies into the next five years that take place in close temporal proximity to each other until the real world catches up with the MCU.

Pretty unlikely they set anything in the gap given how messed up the world is...
 
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It never happens like that


Pretty unlikely they set anything in the gap given how messed up the world is...
Oh no, you misunderstood, I think.

I meant you can place several stories in the MCU closer together within a couple of years, technically even just within a few months, starting in 2023, but produce those stories over a real time period of 5-7 years.
 
Does it really matter if it is 2019 or 2023? Technical improvements probably slowed considerably after the snap. More things to worry about than new iphones, car models, etc...

The legal ramifications to 50% of people dead now alive. What happened with insurance companies when 50% of people died? Prob didn't pay claims. Still had bills to pay. Estates to transfer...

BTW, I saw this brought up elsewhere but. Tony gets a big funeral/memorial. But Natasha didn't seem to get anything.
 
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