Spoilers Game of Thrones: The Final Season

[The Nth Doctor]

I think that Bran the Builder has been mentioned three times on the show.

First time

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Osha mentioned him once, as does Shireen. I will look for those clips later.

Thanks for the reminder, but that also demonstrates my point: If I, an avid fan of the show, struggled to remember references to him and I was actively trying to recall them, imagine the position less avid fans are in without considering the point. Like I said before, show is usually pretty good about seeding in hints as refreshers for the viewers and we haven't gotten anything about him in ages.

 

[Miss Chicken]

Shireen mentions that Bran the Builder is buried in the Crypts at Winterfell (about the 10.55 mark) but it does not seem that the magic that protects Winterfell is ever mentioned.

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[BeatleJWOL]

tl;dw Game of Thrones Season 8, Episode 2 Recap
https://imgur.com/a/dSYAaEb

 

[stj]

Melisandre has no credibility as a prophet. Even if this turns out to be correct, Varys will not die because he is a Queen's man. Although Varys was partners in Littlefinger's and Olenna Tyrell's plots to start the endless wars, he is regarded as a hero. The anvils point to him being burnt by Daenerys, which strikes me as fair, as I think he's been feeding information to Cersei. He told Euron where to find the Greyjoy fleet, and he told Cersei that Casterley Rock was being hit. And he's started turning Tyrion against her. And I still think the NIght King told him where to find the dragon eggs he gave to Daenerys.

Sansa making eyes at Theon, who was raised as a brother, is far more incestuous than two genetic relatives who were strangers doing it. And even those who think cousins are incest, Sansa/Jon is far squickier, as they too were raised as brother and sister. Jon has already rejected Daenerys, so there's nothing to discuss.

 

[Miss Chicken]

One of my favourite YouTubers has just released this video on Arya’s new weapon

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Edited to add the meme

 

[Sci]

The eagerness to murder Daenerys

I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or speaking in earnest.

And I still think the NIght King told him where to find the dragon eggs he gave to Daenerys.

... ah, okay, trolling. Gotcha.

 

[DigificWriter]

Maybe this makes me naive, but I have a very hard time believing that David and Dan are going to kill off all (or even most) of our major "POV" characters (Jon, Dany, Sansa, Jaime, Tyrion, Arya, Brienne, Sam, Davos, and Bran)
despite the series' "nobody is safe" mentality in past seasons.

Bran may end up having to die in order to stop the Night King, but I just cannot bring myself to believe that there is any reason to think that we are going to lose any of the rest of those characters.

 

[stj]

I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or speaking in earnest.



... ah, okay, trolling. Gotcha.

The action of the series starts with the reawakening of the Night King, as revealed in the first scene. You seem to think it was just a coincidence that dragons return, one of which breaks the Wall for him. Kinvara the red priestess hinted at the importance of who spoke to Varys from the flames and what he said. That would be very stupid of you to think so, except you are one of the people who thinks revolution is tyranny, because, violence. You know, killing Daenerys would be like killing Che. So, yeah, there is real eagerness to see Daenerys murdered. My hypothesis is in no sense trolling. You not understanding, but writing this crap, that's trolling.

 

[Mr Awe]

Maybe this makes me naive, but I have a very hard time believing that David and Dan are going to kill off all (or even most) of our major "POV" characters (Jon, Dany, Sansa, Jaime, Tyrion, Arya, Brienne, Sam, Davos, and Bran)
despite the series' "nobody is safe" mentality in past seasons.

Bran may end up having to die in order to stop the Night King, but I just cannot bring myself to believe that there is any reason to think that we are going to lose any of the rest of those characters.

Oh my, I've got a bridge to sell you!

What series have you been watching? You can pretty well assume there will be a ton of deaths and Westeros will experience large amounts of destruction even if the living win!

Dany will die because she epitomizes the quest for the Iron Throne. The throne that has caused so much havoc in Westeros. The throne will die, and she will too.

Jaime and Cersei's fates are linked. Westeros won't be free of Cersei until Jaime decides to do the right thing there. Mark Tyrion's words about Jaime always knowing Cersei's true self but not caring. He's started caring. I can see him kill her and dying in the process. Their fates are *linked*.

Davos will die just because I sense he will! Along with others such as the Hound, Tormund, Varys, etc. Just because that's the way of Game of Thrones and they don't have narrative reasons to survive unlike other characters.

I would tend to think that Brienne, Arya, and Sansa will live. But, not guaranteed. Brienne is the good side of the nobility serving culture. She'll help rebuild. That's her purpose.

 

[DigificWriter]

Oh my, I've got a bridge to sell you!

What series have you been watching? You can pretty well assume there will be a ton of deaths and Westeros will experience large amounts of destruction even if the living win!

Dany will die because she epitomizes the quest for the Iron Throne. The throne that has caused so much havoc in Westeros. The throne will die, and she will too.

Jaime and Cersei's fates are linked. Westeros won't be free of Cersei until Jaime decides to do the right thing there. Mark Tyrion's words about Jaime always knowing Cersei's true self but not caring. He's started caring. I can see him kill her and dying in the process. Their fates are *linked*.

Davos will die just because I sense he will! Along with others such as the Hound, Tormund, Varys, etc. Just because that's the way of Game of Thrones and they don't have narrative reasons to survive unlike other characters.

I would tend to think that Brienne, Arya, and Sansa will live. But, not guaranteed. Brienne is the good side of the nobility serving culture. She'll help rebuild. That's her purpose.

Did you bother to read everything that I wrote instead of just cherry-picking it?

I'm fully aware of the series' "nobody is safe" pattern of past seasons, but have seen no current indicators that, to paraphrase another franchise, "what has happened before will happen again".

I also see zero current indicators that GoT as a television series ends with anyone other than Dany and Jon on the Iron Throne either as joint rulers or as a King/Queen/Consort duo where one rules and the other is a spouse and advisor.

Maybe I'd be better served emotionally to be a cynic and expect the worst, but I just don't see any reason to.

 

[Mr Awe]

^ Don't get defensive! I just disagree with your assessment that there won't be many deaths.

In addition to what I wrote, also note the direness of the situation in Winterfell. They are hugely outnumbered by an untiring enemy. Those in the castle mostly thought they were going to die. That's a pretty big indicator right there! And, their plan of using Bran as bait underestimates the Night King as an enemy, which was a theme in the previous episode. Big indicator right there! That plan is going go badly I think. Although, my guess is that they save Bran, but at a great cost.

I'm guessing the Iron Throne is meaningless by the end of series. I'd say that the huge force of the dead is a big indicator of massive damage. We've since whole houses wiped out already, and I'm guessing that trend will continue. Lanisters particularly. The old power structure is being destroyed. Even the Starks probably won't have castle soon. Another indictor was Dany's vision long ago of a destroyed throne room.

We'll soon see! This is all fun speculation, so don't take it personally.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Don't get defensive! I just disagree with your assessment that there won't be many deaths.

I never said that there wouldn't be many deaths; I said that I'm not convinced that the "POV characters" I mentioned are going to be among said deaths the way that it seems so many other GoT fans are.

 

[Mr Awe]

I never said that there wouldn't be many deaths; I said that I'm not convinced that the "POV characters" I mentioned are going to be among said deaths the way that it seems so many other GoT fans are.

I'm specifically saying I think there will be many POV character deaths.

 

[DigificWriter]

I'm specifically saying I think there will be many POV character deaths.

For the sake of discussion, let me use my list and ask which of the characters I mentioned do you think will survive?

 

[Nerys Myk]

^ Don't get defensive! I just disagree with your assessment that there won't be many deaths.

In addition to what I wrote, also note the direness of the situation in Winterfell. They are hugely outnumbered by an untiring enemy. Those in the castle mostly thought they were going to die. That's a pretty big indicator right there! And, their plan of using Bran as bait underestimates the Night King as an enemy, which was a theme in the previous episode. Big indicator right there! That plan is going go badly I think. Although, my guess is that they save Bran, but at a great cost.

I'm guessing the Iron Throne is meaningless by the end of series. I'd say that the huge force of the dead is a big indicator of massive damage. We've since whole houses wiped out already, and I'm guessing that trend will continue. Lanisters particularly. The old power structure is being destroyed. Even the Starks probably won't have castle soon. Another indictor was Dany's vision long ago of a destroyed throne room.

We'll soon see! This is all fun speculation, so don't take it personally.

All the main and secondary characters die and the rest of the season focuses on the tertiary ones.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

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[Mr Awe]

For the sake of discussion, let me use my list and ask which of the characters I mentioned do you think will survive?

Will I went over these before, but here's your list:
(Jon, Dany, Sansa, Jaime, Tyrion, Arya, Brienne, Sam, Davos, and Bran)

Of those, I'm torn about Jon. I think Dany will die, but will Jon too? I'm not sure. His character is more in-tune with where I think Westeros is heading--away from nobility, Kings, Queens, and thrones.

Dany--she's so representative of the old thinking that I think as the throne of Westeros dies, so will she.

Jamie-he's a goner. As I indicated, his fate is tied to Cersei's. I think he'll need to kill her, and dies in the process somehow. Key point is Tyrion's words to him about how he's always known who she was, and I think he'll ultimately do something about it.

Tyrion-most likely a goner. I think the Lanisters will be purged like the other houses. Too much the old way. I feel really certain about Jaime. Slightly less certain about Tyrion, but think it's more likely than not.

Davos will die. He's been lucky so far but I don't think he makes it through this one.

Bran. Like Tyrion. I'm torn. He could survive or die fighting the Night King. I don't think Bran himself cares that much one way or another as long as it means the Night King doesn't win. I wouldn't be surprised if he dies to bookend the NK's death. Sam would become the memory of the events.

Finally, the group who I think will probably survive, or at least mostly: Arya, Brienne, Sam, Sansa will probably survive. I think these will all build the new Westeros. Both Stark girls don't need to survive. Pretty sure one of the two will. Could be both. But not guaranteed.

 

[Miss Chicken]

What do people think of the fan theory that Melisandre is in Winterfell wearing a disguise and will be one of the women who goes into the crypts? Some people have suggested the little girl might be her.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I thought only Faceless Men were shapeshifters. Red Priests and Priestesses are too? Don’t recall that.

 

[theenglish]

I thought only Faceless Men were shapeshifters. Red Priests and Priestesses are too? Don’t recall that.

Melisandre's appearance is an illusion as we saw during a scene when we saw what she really looks like (perhaps). In the books the casting of illusions is used on others as well IIRC. Whether she can shape shift or just alter the appearance of her age is unknown.