It was destroyed by the Discovery early in S1. The spore drive was always classified.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"
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I had no trouble with the plot and needed nothing explained to me. But I will agree that many people did.
It seemed incredibly straightforward to me, plotholes and all. They're amateurs with complex plotting, compared with someone like Steven Moffat.
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I understand that, but do the same rules apply to this ship as they do Discovery now? Would it be treasonous to talk about the Glenn?
*eyetwitch*
Having one figure made far more messianic than Michael ever was, writing something so convoluted it needs people to dislocate their jaws to be that dramatic, having people say "Buuuurrrrrrrnnnnnnnn" 500 times then have a finale that causes seizures with it's ridiculousness is certainly a level Discovery hasn't been to, I'll give you that.
Agreed. The seasonal arc was very straightfoward at the outset, but I felt like once Control was introduced as the threat, I was starting to get lost. The season went from an over-arching mystery to now Control being the big threat that needed to be dealt with. Plus the importance of the sphere data wasn't emphasized until two or three episodes later, which by then, wasn't in the forefront of my mind because it seemed non-important. And all of these scenes of exposition where important tidbits were either talked about or introduced all happened so quickly I couldn't keep up. That's where my frustration began to set in.
Even as I go through my rewatch, I came upon the May plot, which I had honestly completely forgotten about. So much had been piled on to the arc of the season after this, I totally forgot about it. And even then, that was just a b-plot but they absolutely spent too much time on this when they could've used that time to focus on a more important plot element of the season.
Steven Moffat eats puzzleboxes for breakfast, I will agree. However, he balances off this expertise by inserting storytelling that fights viewers like a Kelpian in other areas of the narratives he writes.
I certainly saw this reaction in a lot of places. Which is why I think the series will, as with many complex stories, be better appreciated upon a second watch. And this is interesting, because this is a huge complaint from TV viewers in many places, yet where it comes to books, a book that gets better the second time around is lauded. Readers will actually go back a few pages if they don't get something in what they are reading. Suggest a viewer rewatch something in case they missed an important clue, the reaction is "Hell No I Won't Go!"
TV apparently is only allowed a first impression hot take with many people, even a decade into serial storytellling domination. And I find that odd.
In my case, several times I would pause and go back. But then I would start getting mad that I was having to do this. But, that's more ME I guess.
It could also be that with a book, people read and comprehend events at their own pace. With regard to a TV series or film, you can only watch and listen as fast (or slow) as the characters talk.
Only in connection with the spore drive, and its final fate. As with the Discovery.
The official story is very likely that each ship was a science vessel conducting cutting edge (and mostly classified) research and each was tragically lost with all hands. The bits NOT to be discussed are the spore drive, the Discovery’s actual fate, the survival of the crew and the time suit.
There did not need to be a scene to make this explicit. The implication was clear.
Don't feign ignorance here, OK? An opinion that you don't like the show is fine. However, you stated that you'd have to be stupid to enjoy the show. That's not OK. Got it?
In my case, several times I would pause and go back. But then I would start getting mad that I was having to do this. But, that's more ME I guess.
I find if I have problems, fixing them happens smoothest if I watch the whole thing, let it sit for at least a day or two, and then rewatch the whole thing. i agree that constantly pausing and going back would be a pain in the ass.
Not sure I agree the plot is actually complex, any more than a run-of-the-mill time travel plot, it's just really patchily told with the occasional gaping hole, much like my erotic fanfic.
I didn't sit there at the screen braying like a distressed dairy cow and getting a headache trying to follow the intricate and beautiful plot laid out by the writers, I just thought basic questions like "why are we going into the future right now when there's no reason to anymore", "why aren't we trying several obvious ways to scuttle the ship", "how did the Red Angel suit move the Terralysium church through a vast distance of space", etc. None of these have actual answers that aren't fan conjecture. I could watch it a hundred times and these questions would remain.
I didn't sit there at the screen braying like a distressed dairy cow and getting a headache trying to follow the intricate and beautiful plot laid out by the writers, I just thought basic questions like "why are we going into the future right now when there's no reason to anymore", "why aren't we trying several obvious ways to scuttle the ship", "how did the Red Angel suit move the Terralysium church through a vast distance of space", etc. None of these have actual answers that aren't fan conjecture. I could watch it a hundred times and these questions would remain.
Absolutely. The problem isn't that the plot is too complex to follow, the problem is that there is no plot to follow.
Both were running "127" projects, they can claim any one of them went wrong.
Except... She is confirmed as being in Season-3 of Discovery in the 32nd Century
And this is exactly how I approached it in my Discovery podcast. My co-host and I are otherwise VERY enthusiastic about Discovery in general. This was the first time we had to record a podcast where we were constantly asking the lingering questions and complaining about how it was all sloppily done in the end. I even made reference to some of the chatter I've been partaking in here!
When we were about five or six episodes away from the end, I was starting to get scared about how all of this was going to be concluded. At that point, more things were starting to pile on with no sign of resolution and I was starting to get nervous. And while you can say things were resolved in the end, it's how they went about most of it. Hell, technically is something resolved if its "resolution" raises more questions?
I can see that for some people need explicit dialogue as a guide.
Tell me, I when the idea of the Red Angel being able to move over vast distances and Pike appeared confused, Tilly piped in, "Eistein did point out time and space are the same thing, so that's why the Red Angel can go anywhere it wants in time-space. And that's also why the bursts appear to us as being spread across the galaxy far from where the actual time jumps happened, because our equipment is only capable of measuring space, not space-time," would you have been happy?
I found a plot to follow. Wasn't actually that hard either.
I'm asking how it moved the church with all the people inside, not how the suit itself can travel. Magic time crystal is all the explanation I need for the suit itself.
My other questions (and a few extra) still stand. I have no idea why we have to go into the future straight away after the immediate threat is gone, which really cripples the plot, along with the lack of any real explanation as to why we can't scuttle Discovery.
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