Too often in Discovery the writing seems to telegraph the chaos behind the scenes and fan backlash. For instance, bringing back Culber back after "icing" accusations or bringing Georgiou back in mirror form after fans not liking her killed off so easily. None of this flows organically. You can get away with this in small doses but too much course correction and it destroys suspension of disbelief. Hence this move feels like nothing but a plot contrivance to extricate the Discovery from the prequel timeline and put it somewhere in which fans will find it harder to bash the canon violations and stylistic discrepancies. So rather than an alternate universe being used to hide the changes as in JJ Trek, they're going to lean on time. Had they simply placed the show post-nemesis in the first place it wouldn't have been an issue (at least not as much, as the Klingons would probably have still caused a stir).
Spoilers So now Discovery is 'synched-up' with canon
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Too often in Discovery the writing seems to telegraph the chaos behind the scenes and fan backlash. For instance, bringing back Culber back after "icing" accusations or bringing Georgiou back in mirror form after fans not liking her killed off so easily. None of this flows organically. You can get away with this in small doses but too much course correction and it destroys suspension of disbelief. Hence this move feels like nothing but a plot contrivance to extricate the Discovery from the prequel timeline and put it somewhere in which fans will find it harder to bash the canon violations and stylistic discrepancies. So rather than an alternate universe being used to hide the changes as in JJ Trek, they're going to lean on time. Had they simply placed the show post-nemesis in the first place it wouldn't have been an issue (at least not as much, as the Klingons would probably have still caused a stir).
Anything is better than a half-collar. BTW, TNG had woodgrain (despite the comm badges) and even as we near 2020 embroidery is still being used. There's no law that in the future everything has to look sterile and mechanical.
Sure. It's fair enough to think the new design sucks, but I just think that saying it sucks because it's not an exact double of the 1960s costume (if anyone is actually doing that) would be a bit much.
There is no answer. No where in canon does it give where Kirk was actually born. Well, until the Abrams films have him born on the USS Kelvin.
My wife was born in Madison County, Indiana. She is from Wetumpka, Alabama, which is where she spent her formative years.
I kinda wish we would have seen a collarless version of the Disco uniform with an undeshirt like the TOS pilot uniforms...
So this is the progression of the USS Enterprise uniform then? . You happy with that explanation?
And yes, I dislike the asymmetrical collar of the new uniforms too. It kinda works when the uniform is one colour, but it looks really jarring when it is highly contrasting like on the Enterprise version.
I mean there literally is, but be all Discovery about it.
Well, no there isn't. At least not a Prime universe answer. No where is it ever mentioned where Kirk was born, nor was there ever given an actual date.
Good, so when Discovery has him born in 2245 and is now the same age as the Enterprise, I expect no arguments at all.
They can do whatever they want in my mind, as I treat it as a reboot. They can have Kirk as the illegitimate child of Christopher Pike and Number One, if that tickles there fancy.
But Bill, if there's no canon information for so much of this, why is it a reboot?
Like I've said before, it isn't about names and dates on a calendar. It is about the differences in two productions done fifty years apart. The differences in society, technology, production values...
We have little to no idea about Trek society as they never show it.
Technology is vastly inconsistent, and the Enterprise was a shapeshifter from 1964 to 1979 as it is.
Values, oh boy, are you saying we shouldn't have had better representation, reduction of toxic masculinity and overall better acceptance of a wider range of people than the 1960's?
I'm not talking about Trek, I'm talking about us, in the here and now.
I think you know better than this. As Discovery (or any other show set in the Prime 23rd century) gets close to TOS, the more the differences between a show made in 1960's and 2018 are going to become glaringly obvious.
Are you expecting a shift where Michael Burnham snuggles up with her male commanding officer on the bridge while there's danger? Tilly going on about how she's too frightened to do her job without a man to give her a pep talk? Georgiou told there was a shift in thinking at Starfleet Command and women no longer could command starships? Casual racism tossed at the only alien crew member on a ship?
They are simply different animals. Animals too different to be of the same continuity.
Yes, taking an era that is becoming more problematic as time passes, and repairing that. Keeping what was good (Pike the leader, Spock the wise and poetic friend, the Enterprise, the spirit of adventure and so on) and tossing what was bad to keep it all going.
Why is it so important that it all keep going? And, if we're talking TOS (as much as I'm a fan), there's a lot that has to be tossed. If you have to shear it to the bare bones in order to keep it, then what's the point?
I had a similar conversation with someone on the bridge of the Enterprise. They were upset it wasn't an exact match and used the rebuilding of the Defiant's bridge on Enterprise as the example to look to. All I said was, yes, that proves the set can easily be duplicated TODAY, but, it doesn't mean the look is timeless.
This season showed that they didn't, there's s suprising amount lifted right from the 2250's with mostly a production gloss over. They proved the era was still entirely useful as a setting in 2019.
It has never been confirmed which timeframe ANY new show takes place in (except Picard which will be in 2399). Section 31 show could be in 32nd century for all we know. Lower Decks could be in TNG Era. Unless we actually get a Pike show, 23rd century is pretty closed. They went out of their way to "sync up" the canon, why would they go back to 23rd century again, if it could only mess up canon again?
