Spoilers Game of Thrones: The Final Season

[StarMan]

Loved Tormand's response after all the strategy talk. "We're all going to die".

A fantastic episode that took it's time for the characters and the viewers' sake alike. Unlikely partners in crime gathering around the fire before The End Of All Things reminiscing about days gone by. Jon got an opportunity to hang out with his bros without any of the political trappings.

Arya, well... you go girl.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Technically we don’t know if Arya is interested in boys. She had sex with Gentry because it’s something humans seem to enjoy doing and she was curious, we don’t know if she enjoyed it.

Right now it feels like everybody hates each other but realize that they will all die if they don’t all fight together. Which, if they win, will cause an explosion.

 

[Cyrus]

Loved it. Just like the first episode lots of meet up between main characters, and the writers and the actors nailed all of them.

The Dany Sansa scene was great, as was Jaime and Bran, Jaime's trial and Dany finding out about Jon/Aegon. And we finally got the long awaited Mormont reunion.

While some will complain about a 2 episode set up to the big battle, I actually wish it would go on longer. Now with the next episode we have to stress about who is going to survive.

The giant's milk story was funny.​

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Prediction for next week's episode: Beric will find himself facing off against the Night King, either deliberately or accidentally, as a diversion to allow Arya to sneak up on him with all of us expecting a heroic moment for both of them...and then it will all turn to shit.

 

[Miss Chicken]

Technically we don’t know if Arya is interested in boys. She had sex with Gentry because it’s something humans seem to enjoy doing and she was curious, we don’t know if she enjoyed it.

Right now it feels like everybody hates each other but realize that they will all die if they don’t all fight together. Which, if they win, will cause an explosion.

She looked pretty interested in Gendry when he was topless at his forge in Harrenhal.

 

[stj]

No planning for the undead dragon? This is some sort of joke, right? None of their so-called plans mean anything. Tormund and Beric know this. And Bran, but apparently Bran is solely dedicated to Jon's seizure of the Iron Throne. Anything less than total defeat will be a cheat. Nobody in the crypts should survive, and precious few on the surface where they can run. Bran should be "killed," though his mind should be trapped in the past. The Night King should be in King's Landing in a couple of episodes.

The logic of what they're doing now is appalling, which is risking the war against the dead for their conquest of the empire later. Maybe Sansa's not smarter than Cersei, though she did wait to declare war until Daenerys couldn't withdraw her army to safety from the Starks. Sam is clearly advising Jon to murder Daenerys at the right moment. If Daenerys weren't the better person she would fly her dragons away to safety immediately. The Stark kingdom seems to aim at including the North, the Vale and Edmure Tully's lands, which now include the Frey lands as well, and maybe Harrenhall too?. And it is highly doubtful the Starks don't expect to turn the Iron Islands into a satellite kingdom as well, judging from Sansa's googly eyes at Theon. And they will expect to install Sam as the client in the Reach, and Gendry as the client in the Stormlands. They probably mean to annihilate all authority in the Lannister lands and possibly destroy King's Landing (and everyone in it,) because cities are pits of iniquity. Dorne will be left to the tender mercies of the new Ellaria Sand. Basically, what they can't rule they'll ruin. The show will probably indulge some fantasy where everybody is suddenly happy that the kingdoms will now be free to war with each other, til the end of time.

Jon will be a terrible king. Deliberately disavowing his loyalty at the moment Daenerys is to go into battle means she has to watch for the next step in his betrayal, refusing to engage if it requires relying on Jon having her back. Avoiding the incest thing, but not to propose, is the very best way to make everything worse.

 

[137th Gebirg]

A truly amazing episode. Probably one of my most favorite of the whole series. The quiet introspection before the impending battle. Further meaningful reunions and conversations. I agree that, at its core, it was filler, but thoroughly well done and essential for all the characters present. Beautifully human.

 

[Cyrus]

The title of this episode was "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms".

With all the talk about Jon's parentage there still hasn't been a mention of aunt/nephew sex.

Seems like either Bran or the Knight King may not survive the next episode. Doesn't look good for Theon either way as he volunteered to defend Bran.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

The title of this episode was "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms".

I don't know if it's just me, but HBO Now doesn't display the episode title when it becomes available (nor is labeled in the schedule). I find that quit odd.

With all the talk about Jon's parentage there still hasn't been a mention of aunt/nephew sex.

True, but that look on Daenerys' face as she learned the truth clearly showed her horror as she realized she fucked her nephew.

 

[Cyrus]

I don't know if it's just me, but HBO Now doesn't display the episode title when it becomes available (nor is labeled in the schedule). I find that quit odd.

I don't think that happened in previous seasons. Maybe they consider even the title could be a spoiler, like next week is supposedly "Battle of Winterfell". I can understand not revealing episode titles weeks in advance but once it's airing it is silly.

True, but that look on Daenerys' face as she learned the truth clearly showed her horror as she realized she fucked her nephew.

Yeah, but I think she was more disturbed that Jon is the true heir to the throne.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Jon will be a terrible king. Deliberately disavowing his loyalty at the moment Daenerys is to go into battle means she has to watch for the next step in his betrayal, refusing to engage if it requires relying on Jon having her back. Avoiding the incest thing, but not to propose, is the very best way to make everything worse.

Maester Aemon/Aemon Targaryen told Jon in season 1, that love is the death of duty. He told Dany the truth, rather than lie to her. Stark honesty on display.

Dany is far too concerned about sitting the throne and is seeing enemies everywhere. She's almost female Joffery at this point. Declaring herself queen and making a fit about it when everyone doesn't immediately bend the knee to her.

Surprisingly, the incest thing didn't come up. It was straight to the claim of who can take the throne. A throne we know Jon doesn't want, and Dany sees another rival for her perceived birthright. Hahaha, get in line.

 

[DigificWriter]

Okay, these writers are apparently incapable of stopping themselves from having at least one character either act completely out-of-character or like they're still the same as they were three or more seasons ago and doing so just to inject cheap drama into the series. It happened with Sansa last week, and it happened with Jon this week.

There was absolutely no reason for him to tell Dany about his Targaryen blood, especially not when they are literally on the verge of having to fight for their lives and the lives of everyone else in the Seven Kingdoms, and everything we've seen of his character in the previous 7 seasons says that he would have kept that information to himself or made it clear that he does not want the Iron Throne and get neither of these things happened because the writers apparently want "easy melodrama".

Okay, rant over. Onto the pleasant and fun things about the episode, presented in bullet form:

• Sansa and Dany's conversation. When they're not insisting on writing her incompetently, these writers are able to make Sansa a very strong and likeable character, and seeing her and Dany actually share a pleasant conversation was both refreshing and awesome
• Every single scene between Jaime and Tyrion. Peter and Nicolaj play off of one another so incredibly well, and it was fun to see their characters ruminate on how far they've both come
• The entire fireside scene in the Great Hall of Winterfell, from Tormund's "Giant's milk" story to Jaime knighting Brienne. There's a bit from the Hobbit Trilogy behind-the-scenes Appendices documentary where Martin Freeman talks about the Company of Thorin actors "all acting the hell out of each other", and that's what was happening in this scene
• Arya's scenes with The Hound and Beric on the battlements and in the forges with Gendry. Unlike the scene in last week's episode with her, The Hound, and Gendry, both of these scenes felt 100% earned and relevant, although it was more than a little bit weird seeing her seduce Gendry
• Gilly giving the little girl "something to fight for" when Davos clearly didn't know how to respond. Hannah Murray has kind of felt superfluous at times since shortly after she joined the series and her part in this episode could have easily come across that way as well, but it didn't because of what they gave her to do
• Bran and Jaime's conversation. I'm not sure Jaime had any idea what Bran was talking about throughout much of said conversation, but it was still fun to see them be fairly civil towards one another

I could keep going, but I'll stop and close this post by saying that I'm really excited to finally see the battle against the Army of the Dead happen next week and hope that we don't see too many casualties.

 

[Xerxes82]

First and foremost: Go Arya. If anybody has earned it, it's you and Gendry. And that feels like the kind of moment that has fallout to explore, so maybe you'll both live!

Moving on...

And so Jon Snow, aka Aegon Targaryen, has his Ned Stark moment. Honestly, before that final scene in the crypt I really thought Jon might live through this whole mess.

But Jon has just made the mistake that Ned did all the way back in the first season. Ned let Cersei know that he was aware of the truth of her children's parentage. He changed the dynastic dynamic, not because he was trying to drop a bomb, but because he thought telling her that she and her children were in danger was the right thing to do. It got him killed. Now, Jon has told Dany that he's actually a Targaryen. Not because he wants a claim to the Iron Throne, not because he wants to betray her or harm her. But because he loves her and she deserves to know.

And it sure looks like Dany is about to take the same approach that Cersei did. Betrayal lies in your future, Jon Snow.

Why do I suddenly have the mental image of Ghost taking the blow that Dany intends for Jon? Could they be so cruel?

There was absolutely no reason for him to tell Dany about his Targaryen blood, especially not when they are literally on the verge of having to fight for their lives and the lives of everyone else in the Seven Kingdoms, and everything we've seen of his character in the previous 7 seasons says that he would have kept that information to himself or made it clear that he does not want the Iron Throne and get neither of these things happened because the writers apparently want "easy melodrama".

In fairness to Jon, he has no interest in the throne, so it never crosses his mind to say "Hey, by the way, I have no interest in the throne!" And after seeing the look on Dany's face (wow, that was a great sequence from Emilia Clarke, you could feel her recoiling from the pretender) Jon may very well have stepped in and said more. But, you know, battle against impending death.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ If the writers hadn't wanted the easy melodrama of tearing Jon and Dany's alliance asunder, the scene between them never would've happened at all, or if they felt that it needed to happen, ended when and where it did. It was only added to the episode and series to create tension and unnecessarily sow doubt about Dany at a moment in the story when there doesn't need to be that kind of thing happening.

 

[Cyrus]

Some general speculations purely based on the directors for each episode:

We already knew episode 3 is a big battle episode. The director is "Miguel Sapochnik" who directed "Hardhome" and "Battle of the Bastrards" previously and obviously is great at these big battle episodes.

David Nutter who directed the first 2 episodes this season is back for the 4th episode. So it is probably dealing with the aftermath of the battle and involves many character moments.

Sapochnik is back directing the 5th episode. So this could be the battle between the lannister/Golden Company army vs North (or the dead depending on who wins the initial battle).

Showrunners D& D are directing the final episode themselves. Probably no big battles on this one, just seeing the surviving characters one last time and a coronation on the Iron throne.

 

[StarMan]

My thinking is episode 3 puts to bed any idea the throne means a damn. At least, to anyone who gives a damn about the greater good.

 

[StarMan]

Some general speculations purely based on the directors for each episode:

We already knew episode 3 is a big battle episode. The director is "Miguel Sapochnik" who directed "Hardhome" and "Battle of the Bastrards" previously and obviously is great at these big battle episodes.

David Nutter who directed the first 2 episodes this season is back for the 4th episode. So it is probably dealing with the aftermath of the battle and involves many character moments.

Sapochnik is back directing the 5th episode. So this could be the battle between the lannister/Golden Company army vs North (or the dead depending on who wins the initial battle).

Showrunners D& D are directing the final episode themselves. Probably no big battles on this one, just seeing the surviving characters one last time and a coronation on the Iron throne.

Great analysis. Given Sapochnik's talent for the big stuff, it seems likely ep.3 (obviously) and 5 will contain the battles.

The outcome ... ?

 

[theenglish]

For the first time since the series started, I almost felt as if I were watching "standard" television--not HBO. Certainly there were some really great moments. The Sansa and Daenerys scene, the Jon and Daenerys scene at the end, Arya and Gendry, and the group at the fire were all great. But there was something about the episode that seemed to be pandering to the audience, something I have not felt with this show before. That said, I can see where the writers are going. It is almost like this is the happiest we are going to see our characters, so lap it up everyone. Also, I missed Cersei this episode.

 

[Captain Shaw]

I don't want any of them to die.
I have a bad feeling for the people in the crypt and I know its suppose to be night but is anyone else having trouble making out certain scenes because its too dark.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

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Full version of the Florence + the Machine cover (I didn't even realize that was her!) of "Jenny of Oldstones" as heard over the credits. I could've done without the lyrics overlay like a cheap karaoke video, but I otherwise like editing of certain scenes with the song.

I don't want any of them to die.

I don't either. Next week is going to be brutal.

I have a bad feeling for the people in the crypt...

Yeah, I'm really surprised no one has pointed out why that's such a terrible idea. That's going to be a horrible disaster.

...and I know its suppose to be night but is anyone else having trouble making out certain scenes because its too dark.

I didn't have a problem with it but I had my laptop screen on the brightest setting as I often do for any dark scenes.