Spoilers Seeming contradiction between S2 finale and Season 1 (spoilers for S2 finale)

[Yistaan]

Yes, Michael Burnham was somewhat infamous after the war, but I never got the impression that her relationship to the Vulcan Ambassador Sarek was all that well known outside of the corridors of power on Vulcan and a few close Starfleet personnel, or you would expect for there to be some blowback for him or mention of it after she got imprisoned. And Vulcans by nature keep things close to the chest, so I wouldn't expect them to talk about it much. Sarek would probably want to keep the relationship low key outside necessary exchanges like the Vulcan Science Academy, especially after the Logic Extremists targeted Michael and the family.

So in terms of people questioning Spock, since they didn't even know his father was the Vulcan ambassador or that he had a brother, there probably shouldn't be a reason for her to ever be brought up in his presence anyway, since regardless of whether people know of the infamous Michael Burnham, very few would associate her with Spock. Discovery is gone, there's no reason most of the Enterprise crew besides the bridge officers has to know they're brother and sister.

What about T'Kuvma's followers? Are we really to assume L'Rell and Voq were the last? I would think some Klingons would hack into everything they knew about Burnham and then get revenge. If not as of Season 2 Discovery, someone would be digging it up during the Organian War.

Klingons do a lot of hacking. That's how they found out about Genesis.

Remember Burnham didn't just kill T'Kuvma, she killed Kol, of House Kor, and his ship in a battle where she dishonorably beamed out. Klingons don't forget things like that. That would very much be of interest to Kor in TOS, and Spock would be a target.

 

[Mudd]

I'm sorry, why would Kor know who the fuck Spock is, again?

 

[Yistaan]

Hacking into every bit of info on the murderer of his cousin Kol? Klingons have black box recorders of some sort (they were able to record the last moments of Kruge's away team in Star Trek 3, which was shown in Star Trek 4).

Remember, Kor chased the Albino for a century. He would do no less to avenge his family member Kol.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

The only way it works is if Control (from the book) is actually in control. Embedded in every bit of Federation and ally technology and offing any and every one that mentions any of the events. Essentially, Control would rewrite history.

As a big fan of David Mack's novel, i actually like this idea. It's in my headcanon now.

 

[Noname Given]

Ummm... Section 31 is confirmed as set in the 23rd (I'm guessing Georgiou is taking the angel suit for a spin). Not sure about Lower Decks or the rest, but we're not finished with Pike/Kirk's era.

Yep - that's one thing I'm happy about. Plus:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/captain-pike-spin-off-petition.299190/page-11#post-12907329

 

[Yistaan]

Yep - that's one thing I'm happy about. Plus:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/captain-pike-spin-off-petition.299190/page-11#post-12907329

While I understand Pike, I'm not understanding the logic of putting Section 31 in the 23rd century. Discovery was literally sent into the future so that the writers' hands wouldn't be tied. And now they're going to jump back into that limitation?

Especially with Georgiou sent into the future now and Tyler having a Klingon lifespan, this would be a good time to just move the whole 31 thing to the TNG timeframe Picard will be in.

Soon the Picard show will be upon us and most Trek fans will be thinking in 24th/25th century mode. With Discovery out of the 23rd, there's nothing to tie us to that century anymore except for a Pike show that's not even confirmed.

 

[David cgc]

Hacking into every bit of info on the murderer of his cousin Kol? Klingons have black box recorders of some sort (they were able to record the last moments of Kruge's away team in Star Trek 3, which was shown in Star Trek 4).

Besides, he did know who Spock was. I guess it's a common name on Vulcan, since he had to find out who Kirk was, first, and didn't immediately realize that Spock, dealer in kivas and trillium, was a spy, but once he did, he immediately recognized Spock as his second-in-command (unless all the Starfleet captains were as thrill-seeking as Kirk, and it was a safe bet that if there were two guys on a planet and one was a captain, the other would be first officer).

 

[ITDUDE]

Click!

I guess he doesn't specifically say 23rd century, but definitely pre-DS9.

It really seems the S31 show will be a post-Winter Soldier version of Agents of SHIELD.

What this tells me is that they haven't written Season 3 of Discovery yet and have no idea what Section 31 show will be about.

 

[Gonzo]

What this tells me is that they haven't written Season 3 of Discovery yet and have no idea what Section 31 show will be about.

Yeah it may be that they have not finalised things yet, perhaps they are considering fast tracking a Pike/Enterprise show after all, its by far the simplest option at this point assuming the three main stars would be available and I bet they would be.

It would be good steady work with a solid budget and a committed broadcaster in CBS.

 

[Yistaan]

Yeah it may be that they have not finalised things yet, perhaps they are considering fast tracking a Pike/Enterprise show after all, its by far the simplest option at this point assuming the three main stars would be available and I bet they would be.

Except I don't think those 3 main stars are available. Anson Mount said he wanted serious creative discussions if there was a Pike show, and has expressed the difficulty in creating such a show: https://trekmovie.com/2019/04/17/an...reative-conversations-to-return-to-star-trek/

 

[ALF]

Remember Burnham didn't just kill T'Kuvma, she killed Kol, of House Kor, and his ship in a battle where she dishonorably beamed out. Klingons don't forget things like that. That would very much be of interest to Kor in TOS, and Spock would be a target.

Klingons may not forget, but humans would forget. Humans are fickle.

 

[Yistaan]

Klingons may not forget, but humans would forget. Humans are fickle.

Spock meets a lot of Klingons over the course of his life (including Kor, relative of Kol who Burnham killed in dishonorable combat by beaming out in the middle of the fight) . Any of who might have an interest in avenging T'Kuvma, or Kol of the House of Kor.

 

[Noname Given]

While I understand Pike, I'm not understanding the logic of putting Section 31 in the 23rd century. Discovery was literally sent into the future so that the writers' hands wouldn't be tied. And now they're going to jump back into that limitation?

Especially with Georgiou sent into the future now and Tyler having a Klingon lifespan, this would be a good time to just move the whole 31 thing to the TNG timeframe Picard will be in.

Soon the Picard show will be upon us and most Trek fans will be thinking in 24th/25th century mode. With Discovery out of the 23rd, there's nothing to tie us to that century anymore except for a Pike show that's not even confirmed.

It just goes to show they no longer look at the Star Trek Universe as a single linear thing moving forward from one starting point.

They want to have Star Trek shows in multiple eras to appeal to old fans and to allow new fans to see something where they don't loose out if there's a previous canon element in a storyline they don't know. The 23rd century in my favorite Star Trek era, so I'm very happy we'll still get a show in that era, and maybe two. YMMV.

I'm sure they want to avoid 'franchise fatigue' - and this basically makes it so not every show is tied to each other in tone, and they can appeal to a variety of different people (or so they hope).

 

[JoeZhang]

Except I don't think those 3 main stars are available. Anson Mount said he wanted serious creative discussions if there was a Pike show, and has expressed the difficulty in creating such a show: https://trekmovie.com/2019/04/17/an...reative-conversations-to-return-to-star-trek/

That's just actor talk for "let's see the money".

 

[Gonzo]

Except I don't think those 3 main stars are available. Anson Mount said he wanted serious creative discussions if there was a Pike show, and has expressed the difficulty in creating such a show: https://trekmovie.com/2019/04/17/an...reative-conversations-to-return-to-star-trek/

Nah that is just Anson Mount getting into position for the contract negotiations assuming they have not already been sorted, after such a positive reception by the fans he knows he has the upper hand.

I would expect CBS to have taken action as soon as it became clear that Pike, Number One and Spock had been positively received by fans, maybe even before if they had a good feeling about it after internal screen tests.

He will have been told to keep quiet for now as it could completely overshadow the other shows including Discovery.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

Not to be too cynical about learning in general, but it's all about who writes the Federation's history books, and what gets mentioned or left out. And that's not to imply a scary Control-related thing. Textbooks in our own day have their biases and omissions, so it shouldn't be a surprise. And even people of infamy in one generation are often forgotten by the next. Modern examples abound for that, too.

 

[Alan Roi]

The only way it works is if Control (from the book) is actually in control. Embedded in every bit of Federation and ally technology and offing any and every one that mentions any of the events. Essentially, Control would rewrite history.

The tech is still there. Its just that now Starfleet has taken over from their old threat assessment program.

 

[BillJ]

The tech is still there. Its just that now Starfleet has taken over from their old threat assessment program.

I have a feeling that the Control of the show was nowhere as insidiously hidden as it was in the novel. In the novel, Control essentially ran the Federation and could take action based on perceived threats.

It was everywhere, in every bit of Federation life.

It actually had an interesting overall theme, "what is the cost of paradise?"

 

[Alan Roi]

I have a feeling that the Control of the show was nowhere as insidiously hidden as it was in the novel. In the novel, Control essentially ran the Federation and could take action based on perceived threats.

It was everywhere, in every bit of Federation life.

It actually had an interesting overall theme, "what is the cost of paradise?"

"The best way not to be unhappy is to not have a word for it." - Douglas Adams.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

What about T'Kuvma's followers? Are we really to assume L'Rell and Voq were the last? I would think some Klingons would hack into everything they knew about Burnham and then get revenge. If not as of Season 2 Discovery, someone would be digging it up during the Organian War.

Klingons do a lot of hacking. That's how they found out about Genesis.

Remember Burnham didn't just kill T'Kuvma, she killed Kol, of House Kor, and his ship in a battle where she dishonorably beamed out. Klingons don't forget things like that. That would very much be of interest to Kor in TOS, and Spock would be a target.

So, Klingons may want to kill certain Starfleet personnel like Spock? How is that different from a day ending in "Y"? Other than that, I don't see how it makes much difference among Starfleet.