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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x13 - "Such Sweet Sorrow"

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9 for me.

Some great character moments.

I was pleasantly surprised that the follow-up to Runaway worked - that was my least-favourite Short Trek, but Georgiou's (illegal) snark worked well with it.

I did feel like they were setting up Captain Michael, which I could really do without.

Fingers crossed they're not going for a timeline reset.
 
IMHO Michael being the captain in the third season would be a mistake. It would certainly make scripting the show in a traditional Trek fashion much simpler. After all, if she's the "decider" she'll get the most lines no matter what, which allows for more plot focus on secondary characters. However, it would eliminate one of the last things which makes Discovery distinctive, and signal that the showrunners have a complete lack of confidence in the original premise.
 
She had her shot at captaincy downgraded way back in the pilot. Tilly may still be captain before her. But I agree Saru is still hesitating and they may leave that until into season 3 before actually going there.
Everyone on that bridge looked at Saru expecting it to be him, when I watched it I thought it was odd and half expected Pike to pick Burnham instead because of the delay.

It was very suspicious and still is when you consider that Saru was already acting Captain, Burnham can still be Captain and may well end up being so due to the sacrifice etc etc.

It may just be that they wanted to leave it on a cliffhanger for next week though but it felt like more than that to me.
 
I do wonder how folks are going to react if Kurtzman and company press a massive reset button after going on for two years that the show was "Prime"?

Well - that one's going to be easy:

  • We have the Kelvin-timeline, where the new JJ.Abrams produced movies take place for the most part
  • The prime-timeline, which consists of DIS (+ spin-offs) and where Spock prime (in ST09) is from
  • And last but not least the original timeline, which covers TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and the corresponding movies.:D
 
RAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!! I was so pumped and it was cut off right in the middle. Damn, this episode kept me on the edge all the way through and I didn't even realize the running time was over before the last scene cut to the promo. A natural 10, obviously. Now I'll try to cobble together some useful information from my notes, because it's mostly just a list of things I'm yelling 'LOVE IT' about. It's gonna be a long one.

Alright, first things first. The Enterprise. She's a damn beauty and I agree with Pike. She looks as good as I remember, and we even got lots of lingering establishing shots. The whole sequence from them arriving aboard through taking the turbolift and entering the bridge was an uninterrupted cornucopia of nerdgasm, from the handles and the glass panes in the turbolift to the breathtakingly gorgeous bridge. It looked even closer to the original from the other angle, the turbolift exit was in the right place and the captain's chair looked as it should too. I don't care to analyze anything about it, the atmosphere of the whole ship just screamed "TOS Enterprise" at me in a way the Kelvinprise never did. Absolutely stunning job from everyone involved.

Tilly's back, and she was absolutely wonderful. She was finally able to do the things she's good at again, be it being Burnham's friend or brainstorming with Stamets and Reno. I especially loved her gleeful reunion with Po where she got to play the big sister once more. The young queen worked really well with that vibe of youthful confidence of a teenager who knows how smart she is and feels she can succeed at everything, and I just loved every second of Georgiou getting a bit of her own medicine from her.

I was glad Spock immediately came to the conclusion that the red signals were Burnham's work, as I was momentarily afraid the writers would gloss over that bit. The whole realization that the Discovery has to go to the future was built up really well, and it was no surprise that the crew would decide to stay too. Their farewells to their families were beautiful, and even if no one we don't already know was named, it was still obvious who the recipients were, be it Stamets' sibling, Owosekuns's whole family or Detmer's best friend. I even saluted Pike at the end of his final address to the bridge crew; it just felt like the right thing to do. Sarek and Amanda's farewell to Burnham was also deeply touching and she finally seemed to be in touch with her emotions at death's doorstep. So her running back to Tyler and kissing him was actually understandable, even if they still don't really have any chemistry at all for me. And I'm not just saying this because I'm a Burnham/Tilly shipper (to the point where I was briefly disappointed that Tilly didn't kiss her when she said fake-goodbye. Well, that's what fan fiction is for anyway).

Granted, the moment Spock decided to stay too I knew it would lower the numbers of possible endings quite a bit; either the time jump will partly (only Burnham going through) or wholly fail, or Spock would leave before the end of the season. I remember seeing him in a shuttle in the promo for next week so we might already have an answer. I didn't have a problem with his decision to stay, as I would've found it out of character for him to turn his back and go to the Enterprise just because canon dictates so. Well, we only have to wait for next week to find out what happens.

Observations:
  • The sphere's data merged with Discovery and immediately went into self-preservation mode... did we just witness Zora's birth?
  • Poor Hugh really seemed like he didn't expect that conversation with Paul to go that way. I felt like his decision to transfer to the Enterprise was more like a Plan B in case Hugh didn't rekindle their relationship.
  • I loved all the quips and one-liners. "Lieutenant Spock [long beat] there are no words" ... "I still dislike you." "The feeling's mutual." ... and of course "What mirror universe?" with that little wink to let Georgiou know he knew all along. If only Linus got a one-liner too.
  • Just to randomly nitpick something: When Burnham said her goodbyes, the display behind her said "106 km" instead of "10^6 km" and it bugs me to no end. Choose a font with upper index support or use a circumflex, dammit.
 
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IMHO Michael being the captain in the third season would be a mistake. It would certainly make scripting the show in a traditional Trek fashion much simpler. After all, if she's the "decider" she'll get the most lines no matter what, which allows for more plot focus on secondary characters. However, it would eliminate one of the last things which makes Discovery distinctive, and signal that the showrunners have a complete lack of confidence in the original premise.
I'd agree. I'm also not convinced she's the best command material they have. Her reactions are often emotion based, which isn't good for a ship's captain.
 
Everyone on that bridge looked at Saru expecting it to be him, when I watched it I thought it was odd and half expected Pike to pick Burnham instead because of the delay.

It was very suspicious and still is when you consider that Saru was already acting Captain, Burnham can still be Captain and may well end up being so due to the sacrifice etc etc.

It may just be that they wanted to leave it on a cliffhanger for next week though but it felt like more than that to me.


It'll be hinted at until the last minute, I don't mind them both having a ship in the end, but Saru being Discovery's captain would be more fitting for me.
 
Way, WAY too much Michael-worship. We were at season one finale levels here.

Other than that, another good episode. Loved Poe and loved almost all the character interactions save above. Loved the colourful Enterprise uniforms and sets, and suspect season three will be set there with the Discovery hidden away in time. Loved how Michael grabbed the time crystal as soon as Pike was out of the room, and was surprised they didn't all do it. I'm predicting a Reno sacrifice to defuse the torpedo next week.

What was the deal with that wink and "what mirror universe?" line:wtf:
 
It'll be hinted at until the last minute, I don't mind them both having a ship in the end, but Saru being Discovery's captain would be more fitting for me.
The whole scene was off to me.

By all rights Pike should have walked off the bridge and informed Captain Saru that the ship was his, the chain of command is pretty clear yet they chose something different.

Right now we have no idea who is going to survive next week or who will end up going with Burnham on her little trip, quite a few of them want to go but that doesnt mean they will go as its supposed to be a one way trip and we know it cant be for Spock.
 
Way, WAY too much Michael-worship. We were at season one finale levels here.

Other than that, another good episode. Loved Poe and loved almost all the character interactions save above. Loved the colourful Enterprise uniforms and sets, and suspect season three will be set there with the Discovery hidden away in time. Loved how Michael grabbed the time crystal as soon as Pike was out of the room, and was surprised they didn't all do it. I'm predicting a Reno sacrifice to defuse the torpedo next week.

What was the deal with that wink and "what mirror universe?" line:wtf:
Yeah I dont think everyone is going to make it either, not that it matters if all goes to plan they could be back anyway and if the changes do include the war with the Klingons that could include Lorca as well but that is an extreme example.

It looked to me like Pike had a slight smile on his face when he said it, so I assumed it was him telling us that he has been told about the MU, so there is no need for a big scene about it.

Cornwell was there so she could have authorised it.
 
The whole scene was off to me.

By all rights Pike should have walked off the bridge and informed Captain Saru that the ship was his, the chain of command is pretty clear yet they chose something different.

Right now we have no idea who is going to survive next week or who will end up going with Burnham on her little trip, quite a few of them want to go but that doesnt mean they will go as its supposed to be a one way trip and we know it cant be for Spock.
Agreed. Leaving it uncertain is not realistic. There is a clear chain of command, and I believe Saru is at the top of it. If it's not clear, yes, Pike should've indicated who his replacement was to be. You don't leave a vague chain of command. That's an oxymoron!
 
Agreed. Leaving it uncertain is not realistic. There is a clear chain of command, and I believe Saru is at the top of it. If it's not clear, yes, Pike should've indicated who his replacement was to be. You don't leave a vague chain of command. That's an oxymoron!
You sure as hell do not do it just before a major battle.

Someone has to sit in the chair and command the ship.
 
Well - that one's going to be easy:

  • We have the Kelvin-timeline, where the new JJ.Abrams produced movies take place for the most part
  • The prime-timeline, which consists of DIS (+ spin-offs) and where Spock prime (in ST09) is from
  • And last but not least the original timeline, which covers TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and the corresponding movies.:D
You forgot:
- Post ST:FC timeline which covers TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and the corresponding movie - and the fact that the Borg were first encountered by Captain Archer in the 22nd century, PLUS the Ferrerngi = The TNG, DS9, et. al. we saw prior to ST:FC all MUST have played out differently. And it may be why ST: D looks the way it does. :rofl: ;)
 
You forgot:
- Post ST:FC timeline which covers TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and the corresponding movie - and the fact that the Borg were first encountered by Captain Archer in the 22nd century, PLUS the Ferrerngi = The TNG, DS9, et. al. we saw prior to ST:FC all MUST have played out differently. And it may be why ST: D looks the way it does. :rofl: ;)

Well... each of them covers a multitude of timelines and grandfather-paradoxes anyway. I'm not going to open up a new timeline for each variant in VOY's "Year of Hell", or weather Sisko was revolutionary folk hero in the 21st century or not.:guffaw:
First Contact is tame.

I'll stand by these three.;)
 
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