Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x13 - "Such Sweet Sorrow"

[Rahul]

I think they would have signed on as part of their deal for Discovery. My opinion is they are keeping a Pike series quiet so as not to overshadow Discovery season 2. I think all along one of the main purposes of Discovery Season 2 is to set up a Pike series. If this is the case, it would also mean the Enterprise bridge was built using the Pike series budget and not the Discovery series budget.

I am not so sure, with what happened last season I think it would have been understandable for them to wait to see how the new characters and Enterprise are received before they throw money at it.

I doubt they have a budget in place for Pike/Enterprise yet so it would be the Discovery budget that is used which makes it even more telling that they did not just redress another set instead.

Any series that has the Enterprise in it will inevitably overshadow Discovery I do not think that can be avoided, perhaps CBS have decided to separate Enterprise from the Discovery show earlier than intended so they can move the timetable forward, we just do not know for sure.

We may never know what the original intentions were for the series both before the changes were made in season one and the two writers were sacked in season two.

Perhaps the decision was made to shorten Discovery run but go all in and setup a big lead in to an Enterprise show.

As for the actors all we can say is that Mount and Romjjin-Stamos were contracted for one season only, any work they do on a new show would require a new contract and negotiation which may already have been done to ensure they are locked in and cant be taken elsewhere.

For all we know CBS does not and never did have any intention to have an Pike/Enterprise show and intend to go in a completely different direction.

Two aspects make me doubt the above though.

1. Suspicious that we have not heard about Pecks contract, knowing his status would be a dead giveaway at this point.

2. No movement yet on the Georgiou/S31 show or Picard, I would have thought they would be full steam ahead by now if they want to have a Star Trek show on CBS all year round, I think they may be holding off to make space for Pike/Enterprise instead.

Whether or not that was always the plan remains to be seen.

They only really built the bridge set and elevator. The rest of the ship (corridors, ready room) was just the Dsicovery sets redressed. That is entirely within DIS' budget.

In fact, I really think this is intended as a "backdoor pilot" (like "assignement:Earth" was back in the day).
Like, they were playing with the idea of a Cpt. Pike series, probably had contracts with the actors in place, but still wiggle room to let it go, if, say, people didn't respond to the ideas.

Now if they do want to make the series, they'd have to built a LOT more assets - in fact, I think they will also built new corridors and stuff. And probably have to pay more for the actors. But they already have the core idea covered and presented, onstead of relying on a piece of paper to show their producers. And if it doesn't work out - they would have really only "built" one bridge set. They did that before (the Shenzhou bridge, which they redressed for the Section 31 ship, and the Klingon "Sarcophagus" bridge, which became the Mirror Universe throne room and later the Klingon Senate). They could redress that for future seasons for whatever they liked as well. It's only one intricate set.

But my guess is, at this point, we'll get a Cpt. Pike/Enterprise series, replacing DIS as the "prequel" series. A Cpt. Picard series in the "present". Put DIS somewhere in the future (either concurrent with Cpt. Picard - or do that stupid "fall of the Federation" concept in the far future - or even turn it into Doctor Who). And squeeze the Section 31 show somewhere in there (concurrent with Cpt. Pike) as well.

 

[Gonzo]

What was the deal with that Georgiou dialogue to Pike as he beamed away, where she IDed herself as Terran from the Mirror Universe? What was the point of saying that? I didn't get that at all...

It was a wink to the audience.

Yeah it was a way of telling us that he has now been told without the need of having an actual scene in the episode of him being told.

 

[Q2UnME]

It was a wink to the audience.

That and Pike and Georgiou(Prime) knew each other. Pike suspected something was off with NuGeorgiou on their first meeting, stating something was amiss in a discussion with Burnham and Micheal promising to fill him in at some point. Maybe that conversation happened, hence Pike's *wink* when saying "What Mirror Universe?".

 

[The Habs Fan]

2. No movement yet on the Georgiou/S31 show or Picard, I would have thought they would be full steam ahead by now if they want to have a Star Trek show on CBS all year round, I think they may be holding off to make space for Pike/Enterprise instead.

The Picard show begins filming next week in California under the fake name "Crosby Street". This is according to a thread on Reddit posted last night. They've also cast 3 of the actors other than Patrick Stewart and Patrick Stewart himself posted a picture to Twitter yesterday holding a folder called "Rehearsal Scenes". I'd say the Picard show is a go. The Section 31 show is in development but not given a season order yet.

 

[The Habs Fan]

They only really built the bridge set and elevator. The rest of the ship (corridors, ready room) was just the Dsicovery sets redressed. That is entirely within DIS' budget.

In fact, I really think this is intended as a "backdoor pilot" (like "assignement:Earth" was back in the day).
Like, they were playing with the idea of a Cpt. Pike series, probably had contracts with the actors in place, but still wiggle room to let it go, if, say, people didn't respond to the ideas.

Now if they do want to make the series, they'd have to built a LOT more assets - in fact, I think they will also built new corridors and stuff. And probably have to pay more for the actors. But they already have the core idea covered and presented, onstead of relying on a piece of paper to show their producers. And if it doesn't work out - they would have really only "built" one bridge set. They did that before (the Shenzhou bridge, which they redressed for the Section 31 ship, and the Klingon "Sarcophagus" bridge, which became the Mirror Universe throne room and later the Klingon Senate). They could redress that for future seasons for whatever they liked as well. It's only one intricate set.

But my guess is, at this point, we'll get a Cpt. Pike/Enterprise series, replacing DIS as the "prequel" series. A Cpt. Picard series in the "present". Put DIS somewhere in the future (either concurrent with Cpt. Picard - or do that stupid "fall of the Federation" concept in the far future - or even turn it into Doctor Who). And squeeze the Section 31 show somewhere in there (concurrent with Cpt. Pike) as well.

I agree with most of what you said, and yes the bridge is basically all they built from scratch. But as was pointed out in the other thread about the Enterprise bridge, it was fabricated from metal with better materials than even the Discovery bridge. That strikes me as odd if it's only going to be featured in 2 episodes. If the Pike series is a go, I wonder if they will film at Pinewood like Discovery or move the bridge set and anything else they need to the big soundstage CBS is building in Mississauga (outside Toronto)... it's supposed to open in mid-2019.

 

[Campe]

Then shouldn't they be going backwards in time?

I'm wondering if that isn't the bait and switch. That instead of heading forward, they're going to be sent back in time.

 

[Gonzo]

They only really built the bridge set and elevator. The rest of the ship (corridors, ready room) was just the Dsicovery sets redressed. That is entirely within DIS' budget.

In fact, I really think this is intended as a "backdoor pilot" (like "assignement:Earth" was back in the day).
Like, they were playing with the idea of a Cpt. Pike series, probably had contracts with the actors in place, but still wiggle room to let it go, if, say, people didn't respond to the ideas.

Now if they do want to make the series, they'd have to built a LOT more assets - in fact, I think they will also built new corridors and stuff. And probably have to pay more for the actors. But they already have the core idea covered and presented, onstead of relying on a piece of paper to show their producers. And if it doesn't work out - they would have really only "built" one bridge set. They did that before (the Shenzhou bridge, which they redressed for the Section 31 ship). They could redress that for future seasons for whatever they liked.

But my guess is, at this point, we'll get a Cpt. Pike/Enterprise series, replaceing DIS as the "prequel" series. A Cpt. Picard series in the "present". Put DIS somewhere in the future (either concurrent with Cpt. Picard - or do that stupid "fall of the Federation" concept in the far future - or even turn it into Doctor Who). And squeeze the Section 31 show somewhere in there (concurrent with Cpt. Pike), too.

It has screamed back door pilot for a while now, I find it odd that they havent announced it though as it would surely help CBS All Access and increase the viewing figures, although they are clearly ok anyway so perhaps they decided it was unnecessary and wanted to wait for the right time.

Yeah the odd delay in both Picard and S31 show makes me think they want something else up and running first and may be putting all their effort in to that which would make sense.

I dont think so in regards to the contracts though, they dont get those signed until they are truly committed to a show, although they could have had a less formal agreement in place to ensure that the actors calendars are kept clear, perhaps the actors themselves wanted to try it out first and then decide on whether to commit to a full series.

I think the Pike/Enterprise show could displace Discovery or perhaps be a natural progression as we know the ship will be jumping forward at some point and if Burnham does go with it (havent seen the episode yet) then the show goes with her essentially.

There are so many ways they could do it, or alternatively not do it at all.

 

[Deledrius]

Great episode. Poor execution by CBSAA. They should have aired both parts together. 10-1 ( for shitty scheduling)

It's seemingly a pattern. The airing of the series premiere was equally stupid, with only part 1 being broadcast even though it was very much not a standalone episode.

 

[Rahul]

I agree with most of what you said, and yes the bridge is basically all they built from scratch. But as was pointed out in the other thread about the Enterprise bridge, it was fabricated from metal with better materials than even the Discovery bridge. That strikes me as odd if it's only going to be featured in 2 episodes. If the Pike series is a go, I wonder if they will film at Pinewood like Discovery or move the bridge set and anything else they need to the big soundstage CBS is building in Mississauga (outside Toronto)... it's supposed to open in mid-2019.

Oh yes, this set is definitely built to last.
But I don't think this was approved by the producers from the budget of a new series. I think this was Kurtzman & Co., using the DIS' budget, telling their production guy how important it was, and then go back to the producers to show and tell "look what we built".
In fact - had they waited for producer's approval, I guess they would have nixed a lot of ideas (like the funny rainbow colored buttons and stuff). Being this faithfull really works a lot better when you're a small team in the middle of day-to-day business.

 

[Gonzo]

The Picard show begins filming next week in California under the fake name "Crosby Street". This is according to a thread on Reddit posted last night. They've also cast 3 of the actors other than Patrick Stewart and Patrick Stewart himself posted a picture to Twitter yesterday holding a folder called "Rehearsal Scenes". I'd say the Picard show is a go. The Section 31 show is in development but not given a season order yet.

Ah its about time, up to now its been mostly talk.

 

[Campe]

I will be very surprised if CBSAA isn't doing something with Pike and the Enterprise after this season. I just don't know what that is yet. I get a feeling it will not be a multi-season series, but instead, either a limited series (a la Hulu's 11.22.63) or a series of TV movies. But after next week, I don't think we're done with Pike.

 

[Tim Thomason]

That and Pike and Georgiou(Prime) knew each other. Pike suspected something was off with NuGeorgiou on their first meeting, stating something was amiss in a discussion with Burnham and Micheal promising to fill him in at some point. Maybe that conversation happened, hence Pike's *wink* when saying "What Mirror Universe?".

Pike's a pretty laid-back guy.

Burnham: "By the way, we have a super-fast form of travel that can take us across the galaxy in seconds."

Pike: "Neat. That'll be helpful."

----

Tilly: "The Queen of Xahea has developed a technology to recrystallize dilithium, something that would revolutionize warp technology and stop the exploitation of dilithium mining galaxy-wide. But she doesn't share it with others."

Pike: "Prudent." *shrugs*

-----

Burnham: "Okay, you might want to sit down for this..."

Pike: "No thanks."

Burnham: "Georgiou is not the Georgiou you know. She comes from an parallel universe. We discovered a method of entering other universes last year, a fact so terrible, that the Federation saw fit to classify further development and investigation of the possibilities."

Pike: "Is that all? Whatever."

 

[SG-17]

I'm wondering if that isn't the bait and switch. That instead of heading forward, they're going to be sent back in time.

With Control/Leland having managed to get aboard...

 

[Rahul]

I dont think so in regards to the contracts though, they dont get those signed until they are truly committed to a show, although they could have had a less formal agreement in place to ensure that the actors calendars are kept clear, perhaps the actors themselves wanted to try it out first and then decide on whether to commit to a full series.

A great tactic to lure in big actors for small roles is to say "this is only a cameo now, but we have plans to make it a big, recurring main role". That's how they lured Frank Grillo to play a smaller badguy in Captain:America:Winter Soldier. They promised the role would be much bigger in the sequel (it wasn't....)

As such, I think Anson Mount, Rebecca Romjin, Ethan Peck & Co. have signed contracts that say "You're playing this tiny supporting role on DIS now. But IF we're going to do that spin-off show, you're going to play that same role, as a main character, and get a lot more money from the now-not-yet-existing budget of that future show".

 

[The Habs Fan]

Ah its about time, up to now its been mostly talk.

There was a Trekmovie article from October 2018 that said the Picard show was expected to begin filming in April. Also, last month, according to Production Weekly, it said the Picard show would begin filming on April 14. There hasn't been a delay, it's been right on time. They're trying to get wall-to-wall Star Trek in place for 2021.

https://trekmovie.com/2018/10/06/ex...cers-reveal-picard-series-production-details/

 

[Q2UnME]

Given Discovery's per episode budget, building the bridge set and spreading the cost out over two episodes is not budget buster. As much as I would welcome (an view the shit out of) a Pike/Spock/Enterprise series, it's more than likely not going to happen. The sheer amount of projects already in the works pretty much precludes this from happening. Mount has already gone on record stating he's "unemployed" when he wrapped his scenes on Discovery and is looking for work.

 

[The Habs Fan]

A great tactic to lure in big actors is to say "this is only a cameo now, but we have plans to make it a big, recurring main role". That's how they lured Frank Grillo to play a smaller badguy in Captain:America:Winter Soldier. They promised the role would be much bigger in the sequel (it wasn't....)

As such, I think Anson Mount, Rebecca Romjin; Ethan Peck & Co. have signed contracts that say "You're playing this tiny supporting role on DIS now. But IF we're going to do that spin-off show, you're going to play that same role, as a main character, and get a lot more money from the now-not-yet-existing budget of that future show".

Also, they are all actors who would do a TV show for 5 or so years (since they've all been part of TV series in the past). What I mean is, most likely none of them are the Michelle Forbes type who wouldn't want to be tied down to a series.

 

[Gonzo]

There was an Trekmovie article from October 2018 that said the Picard show was expected to begin filming in April. Also, last month, according to the Production Weekly magazine out of California, it said the Picard show would begin filming on April 14. There hasn't been a delay, it's been right on time. They're trying to get wall-to-wall Star Trek in place for 2021.

https://trekmovie.com/2018/10/06/ex...cers-reveal-picard-series-production-details/

Ah ok, I do not follow this stuff as closely as some of you do.

 

[Gonzo]

Given Discovery's per episode budget, building the bridge set and spreading the cost out over two episodes is not budget buster. As much as I would welcome (an view the shit out of) a Pike/Spock/Enterprise series, it's more than likely not going to happen. The sheer amount of projects already in the works pretty much precludes this from happening. Mount has already gone on record stating he's "unemployed" when he wrapped his scenes on Discovery and is looking for work.

Yeah but that "unemployed" comment made me instantly suspicious, actors do not go around saying it in that way.

It made me think he is hiding something.

 

[BillJ]

Yeah the odd delay in both Picard and S31 show makes me think they want something else up and running first and may be putting all their effort in to that which would make sense.

What delay? Picard isn't supposed to air til the end of the year, and they're on record as saying Section 31 wouldn't start until after the end of Discovery season 3.

From everything I've seen/read that has always been the plan for both.