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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x13 - "Such Sweet Sorrow"

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the arc is ending in a contrived manner. There's very clearly an endpoint they wish to get to, and everyone is doing what they are not because it makes sense in a manner rooted in their character, but because they either are or are not going to be in Season 3 of Discovery. So all of the main cast just decide to follow Michael into the future and abandon their families...just because. Except Tyler, who loves her, but apparently can't leave because he's needed for the Section 31 spinoff??? I'm not even getting into the technobabble in this episode. It was very, very hard for my disbelief to be suspended because it's pretty transparent they're no longer even really interested in finishing up the story for this season, just teeing up the story for next season.

Blargh.
I would tend to disagree with this. Generally, Star Trek crews do tend to make the choice to follow their Captains or fellow Starfleet officers into danger. For this reason, most of the bridge crew sticking with Michael seemed fairly in-character for what we know of Starfleet. We see Kirk's whole crew throw their careers away in Star Trek III for the outside change of rescuing Spock (Just because they were exonerated later, doesn't mean they didn't think that their careers would be finished), Picard's crew follows him in Insurrection, and there are a number of television episodes and movies where the Captain says something along the lines of "I can't order you to do this" or "This directly violates your orders" to which a character says "I believe I speak for everyone when I say "To hell with our orders..."
As for Tyler, he is a Tyler/Klingon hybrid, so I can imagine him staying to clean up the mess that is Section 31. He has also left Michael for the sake of duty before, so I didn't feel that this was a change to his character.
While the story is leading to a conclusion (since next week is the finale), the story grew quite organically for me.
 
I haven't read any of these posts yet, but I'm betting this will be polarizing.

And I bet I could make a list of who liked it and who didn't based on two years worth of data on people's personal preferences.

;)
Well I can’t very well give this more than a 4, at best it filler episode, at worst it’s much a do about nothing. So yeah call me predictable, but outside of few cool shots of the Enterprise what was really good here to warrant a 9 or 10 that most fans will end up giving this episode?
 
Well I can’t very well give this more than a 4, at best it filler episode, at worst it’s much a do about nothing. So yeah call me predictable, but outside of few cool shots of the Enterprise what was really good here to warrant a 9 or 10 that most fans will end up giving this episode?
Their own personal points of view regarding what they look for in a Star Trek episode. It's all relative, friend. :)
 
Star Trek, from the original series, to TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and now DSC has always been about traveling at the speed of plot. Always.

Oh lordy, "Plot Speed" has been a staple of Star Trek for decades, you're gonna have an uphill battle with that one.
:rolleyes:

Just like technobabble, just because Trek has done it before isn't an excuse to do it again.
 
Any pictures of Nicole Dickinson in character as Yeoman Colt? I don't have easy access to the episode on my phone without commercials and all that. Did they give her a wig or anything? Was she even there or were her scenes cut?
 
That was quite good, barring that really atrocious expository writing for Sarek when he explained that he'd look after Spock from a distance. Yikes. Other than that--

I loved the farewell messages scene. I found it genuinely moving and an absolutely necessary scene if they mean to do any justice to these people's inner lives. I'm really glad that was there.

So we're getting some kind of Pike's Enterprise TV movie or something, surely? That bridge set is really pretty...and really expensive looking. The dark sleek look makes the retro elements pop in a fun way, but the whole thing still feels smart and cohesive. Was the conference room also a new set or a redress? There's no way that stuff was built for a scant few minutes of screen time, right? Also, I find it so hard to believe that they cast Rebecca Romijn in the Number One role just for the time she's had on screen. This feels like a set up for a limited series of some kind.

After the jump into the future, we're going to discover that Culber went with them, right? That he "moved forward" with Stamets?

So we can see how the ship gets to the future now, but not how it ultimately gets abandoned, or when. I wonder if season three might take place, say, 500 years in the future, with the season built around the search for a way to retrieve the ship. I sincerely hope that if we go to the future, it can be a future with a little more wonder and grandeur, though. I can see them setting up a "rebuilding the Federation" story, but I really hope that's not what they do. I'd rather see a working Federation.

So next week, Spock does something brave to allow Discovery to escape to the future and gets left behind, right?

Oh, please please please tell me we aren't setting Reno up for a Heroic Sacrifice.
 
If Discovery gets destoryed then no more seaosn 3. So that will not work.
If Disco does go to the future, is that a better show? Spock will have to get back to Kirk era.

The fact the show was renewed for season 3 only recently, does that mean they will have a tidy ending to season 2, unlike season 1?
 
Just like technobabble, just because Trek has done it before isn't an excuse to do it again.
The thing is that you shouldn't be surprised by it, as it's something that occurs and has occurred in every iteration of Trek, and that includes people's favorite episodes. Hell, the whole reason warp speed exists is so we don't spend weeks or months going from planet to planet. The reason transporters exist is so they could save money on shuttle scenes, and getting from one point to another without long exposition times. Sometimes you have to accept visual shorthand in order to keep things moving. Dig in too far, and every episode will far apart. This is no different.
 
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