Spoilers The Kahless clone from "Rightful Heir" might be the real Kahless

[Unimatrix Q]

Based on the fact that the monks on Boreth have access to time crystals and were waiting for Kahless to return, it might be that in an ironic twist of fate the Kahless clone they created will end up at eventually in the past and fulfill his destiny there as the real Kahless.

Either because the original bearer of his name died or because he originally never existed.

It would also be interesting to think about if at least some of the monks know or suspect this...

 

[F. King Daniel]

As soon as the nature of Boreth was revealed, my mind immediately started coming up with fanwanky ideas of characters meeting their past and future selves.

Perhaps Kahless was lost in time and never died. Perhaps the clone does something wibbly and becomes the original in the past. So much potential.

 

[ChristopherPike]

Well that late 7th Season TNG episode, "Firstborn" suddenly got a whole lot more interesting that's for sure.

Not hard to rationalise exactly how Worf's son Alexander, as an adult, got to interact with his Father and past self.

 

[Farscape One]

It certainly explains HOW future Alexander got there.

Though we never did see if he returned, or disappeared because Worf changed a bit.

 

[Tosk]

If the clone ended up going back and living the life of the real one, it would alter the way things go. The clone was given the memories of the events of the real Kahless' life, which would mean "Kahless" would now know his own future. ...Unless that's what always happened, and that's why he was such a good leader. He knew the outcome of the game before it was played.

 

[BillJ]

They've definitely opened an unneeded can of worms with the time crystals.

 

[Terok Nor]

Don't you mean Kaylessssh? I'll never not think of Sean Connery when I hear it pronounced like that.

I doubt they'll circle back to the clone but it does help explain Old Alexander in Firstborn.

 

[Yistaan]

Per the story, Kahless pointed to the star of Boreth and said he would return there. Did he know all along that there were time crystals there, and he had a plan for (or already conducted) his return via time crystal? We don't know if at the time Kahless did this the Klingons had warp drive or not (the licensed non-canon works said they didn't get it until long after Kahless was gone, when the Hur'Q came and stole the sword of Kahless).

So Korath is actually a renegade Boreth monk perhaps? https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Korath

It wasn't said if all Chancellors knew about the time crystals, or just L'Rell. I find it VERY hard to believe that amidst all the Klingon wars and all the corrupt chancellors, none of them just wiped out the monks and took the crystals for themselves to use.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Don't you mean Kaylessssh? I'll never not think of Sean Connery when I hear it pronounced like that.

Trek screws up linguistics and language use / terminology a lot. I think the palatalisation of a voiceless sibilant in final sound position is the least of their problems. That's at least a phonetic phenomenon that happens in human languages (take variants of Portuguese). It makes more sense than the UT not translating random Klingon phrases among a plethora of perfectly translated speech.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

Trek screws up linguistics and language use / terminology a lot. I think the palatalisation of a voiceless sibilant in final sound position is the least of their problems. That's at least a phonetic phenomenon that happens in human languages (take variants of Portuguese). It makes more sense than the UT not translating random Klingon phrases among a plethora of perfectly translated speech.

I speak Portuguese, too! So that's an excellent comparison. But we also know that languages change over time - just look at how much English has changed over the centuries - so there's room for different accents in that regard as well as we look at DSC era vs. TNG era.

I'm good with a few more paradoxes in DSC, but after that, I hope they settle into a more standard approach that doesn't require me yelling at my screen so much.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I speak Portuguese, too! So that's an excellent comparison. But we also know that languages change over time - just look at how much English has changed over the centuries - so there's room for different accents in that regard as well as we look at DSC era vs. TNG era.

I'm good with a few more paradoxes in DSC, but after that, I hope they settle into a more standard approach that doesn't require me yelling at my screen so much.

I agree. I just mentioned this because I like to make fun of how little Trek writers understand how language works (which was particularly egregious in ENT's case), but a different pronunciation by two individual Klingons is not a mistake. It's just a variety.

English is a great example, too. Just show someone Anglo-Saxon, Middle English or Early New English. Inside of a thousand years, the language has become unrecognisable. Even on a synchronous level, there are great differences between different versions of English - not just slang, but on a grammatical and even a phonetic level. Variation is good. Static representations of something that is a living, evolving thing would seem much sillier to me personally.

That, of course, does not mean there should be no consistency.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

English is a great example, too. Just show someone Anglo-Saxon, Middle English or Early New English. Inside of a thousand years, the language has become unrecognisable. Even on a synchronous level, there are great differences between different versions of English - not just slang, but on a grammatical and even a phonetic level. Variation is good. Static representations of something that is a living, evolving thing would seem much sillier to me personally.

Definitely. Sometimes I wonder if what/how we're speaking today will even be recognizable 200 years from now. If you ever want to practice your Portuguese, let me know!

 

[F. King Daniel]

I love that Ash goes all Sean Connery when he talks Klingon. It's his Voq Klingon accent.

Couldn't give two shits if it's consistent with how Klingon is spoken in the other shows. It's all angry meaningless babytalk to me.

 

[Yistaan]

It's all angry meaningless babytalk to me.

Scotty miscalculated in the Trouble with Tribbles. He let Korax goad him into starting the fight. Scotty should have went--

SCOTT: Forget it. It's not worth fighting for. We're big enough to take a few insults. Now, drink your drink.

KORAX: Of course, I'd say that Captain Kirk deserves his ship. We like the Enterprise. We, we really do. That sagging old rust bucket is designed like a garbage scow. Half the quadrant knows it. That's why they're learning to speak Klingonese.

SCOTT: Klingonese is all meaningless babytalk to me.

Korax definitely would have thrown the punch and Scotty would have been blame-free from starting the fight.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Definitely. Sometimes I wonder if what/how we're speaking today will even be recognizable 200 years from now. If you ever want to practice your Portuguese, let me know!

Thanks! I'm woefully out of practice!

As for Connery!Voq, I don't care that he does it, either. I just think that if you want to nitpick language use, that's not really a good example because it can easily be explained away. But of course it doesn't matter at all for the plot. ENT fucked up linguistic terminology all the time, and I make fun of it, but it doesn't bother me because who cares. The story needs to work. The technobabble/phlebotinum/bad language use is secondary.

 

[Terok Nor]

Surely Kahless is still on Boreth and can be reached by using a time crystal. If VoqBaby can exist as a middle aged man and an infant then it shouldn't be any trouble to chin wag with The Unforgettable. Let's ask him how he likes his name pronounced

 

[Nerys Myk]

Surely Kahless is still on Boreth and can be reached by using a time crystal. If VoqBaby can exist as a middle aged man and an infant then it shouldn't be any trouble to chin wag with The Unforgettable. Let's ask him how he likes his name pronounced

"Brian".

 

[JoeZhang]

but a different pronunciation by two individual Klingons is not a mistake. It's just a variety..

I had a nice afternoon in Shrewsbury*.



* This will make sense to brits.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I had a nice afternoon in Shrewsbury*.



* This will make sense to brits.

It's definitely Shrooooosbury.

 

[Harpsichord]

Since I don't think Worf's childhood vision of Kahless and the clone's knowledge of the vision was ever explained on screen, I wonder if the time crystals are involved? I think this would be packing way too much narrative importance into one mcguffin, but it's possible if the crystals have the ability to send visions to the past they may be how the images of the 7 red bursts were sent to Spock.