Gotcha! You're trying to have it both ways so you can complain both when they aim big and not so big (at least according to you)!
Believe whatever you choose to believe.
Spoilers A big hint about the finale/season 3 has dropped...
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Believe whatever you choose to believe.
I have doubts they'll change the underlying foundation of the series so dramatically. We watched the Klingon War (well, sort of), so we know it happened. They're not going change the whole basis for the Burnham character and the entire first season. I suspect a shocking change in the setting of the series, but not the underpinnings of the series.
I'm believing your own quotes. Taking you at your word . . . well, your various different words.
Psychologically speaking, it's interesting to observe how some people will find one way to complain in one situation. Then, in a different situation, they'll make the exact opposite complaint. That lack of consistency makes it obvious that they're just looking for excuses to complain. Nothing will make them happy. That's further bolstered when they start complaining about minutia, such as chairs.
I'm gonna say, that since I've rated Discovery higher this season and have complimented the show on quite a few occasions, that your deductive reasoning isn't worth shit.
I'd like to say yes, but in the episode before last the dropping that the suit needs the "power of a supernova" plus young Michael watching the supernova lead me to think something is going to happen near the time she lost her parents. In term of narrative, this can only be undoing her loss, which would result in her being a totally different person, and history unfolding differently. Which would explain why no one ever mentioned her, why the spore drive wasn't used, why Kurtzman is being cagey about whether Picard knows about her from the history books, etc.
I am 100% certain some timey wimey shenanigans will give Michael plot armor, so that she (and a few others) retains knowledge of all that happened. But the universe as a whole is getting rewritten.
I'm just pointing out your own words. Not sure why you're upset at your own words?
They should have Burnham and Spock wake up in bed together at the end of the season.
I'm just pointing out your own words. Not sure why you're upset at your own words?
You're the one that keeps coming back to it. You've never had conflicted feelings about anything in life?
And I'm not sure why this thread has become about you cross-examining BillJ over his past opinions. Let it go.I'm just pointing out your own words. Not sure why you're upset at your own words?
What? No. Eww.
I can see it. Spock looks at the bottle of Saurian Brandy on the bedside table and exclaims: "my father warned me about human women!" Vulcans aren't impervious to the effects of alcohol, Spock just refuses to drink ever again after that night.
That's a good point about the supernova. I'm hoping that's not the case, but Chekhov's supernova I suppose.
Hopefully, that's a misdirection, along with the Borg stuff. If they rewrite so much of the series and its character's history that we already "know," that would be a challenge for me to accept. It depends on the execution of course. But, it would be . . . difficult. And, the whole development of Burnham's relationship with Spock, Sarek, and Amanda would be for naught. The more I think about it, the more terrible that direction sounds.
Ah, I didn't see this thread before completely refuting the idea of Star Trek: Enterprise stuff in season 3 in that other thread. Whoops.
Well, I've been hoping for a time jump and predicting one alongside many of you. A time jump specifically to the 28th century would be rad. Get rid of the prequel status. Morph Discovery into something else. I like the show a lot but this would improve it IMO.
Well, I've been hoping for a time jump and predicting one alongside many of you. A time jump specifically to the 28th century would be rad. Get rid of the prequel status. Morph Discovery into something else. I like the show a lot but this would improve it IMO.
I dunno. The plot really only matters insofar as it impacts the growth of the main characters. Most likely this sort of reset/time jump will result in Michael, Saru, Ash, Stamets, Culber, Tilly, Georgiou, and some bridge furniture coming along. That's probably enough - particularly when new 28th century characters will be introduced.
I just really, really hope they don't reset the timeline a second time at the end of the 3rd season.
While I've been predicting something like this for months, I sure hope they don't do it. A great part of my enjoyment of any show is its ability to world-build a time and place. I would be very concerned that in jumping into the future they essentially let go of the world they've built. I won't say I won't watch, but I am very skeptical.
As much as I don't like the idea of Discovery ending after just three seasons, I'm inclined to agree that this is quite possible. Last year, Heather Kadin and Alex Kurtzman were talking about how the Section 31 show may broadcast after Discovery season 3... and in another interview, Kadin (I think) mentioned that some shows will serve as replacements for others. Connecting the dots, I could definitely see that happening.
It wouldn't be too bad so long as some of Discovery's cast (besides just Georgiou) get to stick around somehow, I guess. It would be less of a "premature cancellation" feeling and more of a change in name, tone, and structure but a direct continuation.
Yeah, I can see what you're saying. If they change the 23rd century as you describe, but the characters remember, and then Discovery bugs off to the 28th century for good, it mitigates the problem a bit. But, it doesn't feel satisfying to me. Maybe it will work. But, it's hard to get passed the what we saw didn't happen aspect. Like when you're rewatching the first season, nah, none/most of that ended up happening! Maybe just me though.
Yeah. If the show was over, Michael Burnham's story would be done, but they could always farm out other members of the team elsewhere. Which wouldn't be the worst outcome, because quite honestly, while Michael and SMG don't actively irritate me or anything, she's neither the most interesting character nor the best actor, but the premise of the series kind of shackles them to her for as long as Discovery exists in its current form.
Did the Kelvin movies bother you then? Or the alternate TL episodes of Trek, like Yesterday's Enterprise, Year of Hell, or In A Mirror Darkly?
For a total of 40-ish episodes? Tops, 50?
Seems way too short, but I guess it won't live on in syndication anyway like all other Treks... it depends on their endgame. I understand shows will serve as replacements but they've gone through a lot of trouble to establish the ship and crew for a few dozen episodes.
My bet would be 4 seasons of DISCO total.
