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Supergirl - Season Four

Here's an amusing footnote to the debate over Marsdin's presidency: I just finished reading a collection of Golden Age Wonder Woman comics, and Wonder Woman #7 from Winter 1943 contains a story where Wonder Woman, still using the Diana Prince disguise a millennium in the future, runs for President of the United States in 3004 A.D., despite the fact that she's secretly an Amazon and not a U.S. native. (The issue never comes up in the story, though.)

Another very familiar story element: Diana's corrupt opponent steals the election by falsifying ballots so he can restore graft, corruption, and male domination to politics. Although she eventually exposes his fraud and becomes the president -- apparently for life, since she's still president in the issue's next story set 694 years later. Apparently they've repealed term limits as well as the native birth requirement.
 
And as I've pointed out multiple times before, it's logical that she could outfight Superman regardless of their absolute strength levels, because she's had military-grade combat training from Alex Danvers, a woman who routinely outfights men bigger and stronger than herself, whereas Superman is a self-taught brawler.

I couldn't agree more.
A couple of years ago I played squash against a woman.
I am bigger, stronger, faster and had fast reflexes, yet for almost a year I lost EVERY match against her.
Why? Mostly because she had trained years against men and I had zero experience.
So gender doesn't matter with good training.
I am a huge Superman fan but I don't care who is stronger, they are both hero's.

This was a fun episode and I like this Luthor (still I would have preferred Rosenbaum).

But I have one question, where is the Russian Supergirl? We haven't seen her a couple of episodes
 
The newest episode of DC Daily has a short interview with Jon Cryer on his Lex, beginning at 2:20 minutes.
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FDR won 4 elections.

Wait?

Did he die as President Elect (and President)?

No.

He died in office during his 4th (beginning January 1945) term and truman took over the for remainder of his term (3 years).

Truman was the first president affected by the amendment. As he served more than 2 years as president between FDR's death and the 1948 election he wasn't eligible to run in 52 as that would have amounted to a 3rd term.
 
Supergirl needed Superman to be written weakly to make her look like she was more important than she is in the comic world. That shows weak writing.

Guess that's been going on for a while now because Supergirl has been stronger than Superman since she was reintroduced to continuity about fifteen years ago. And not once did Superman act like a man-baby because of it--to my recollection.

As for Manchester Black, it was already established that he was probing J'onn's thoughts and I thought it was pretty clear that he allowed himself to be absorbed or something into J'onn's body at the end of this episode, but maybe I was just reading too much into his final line.
 
As for Manchester Black, it was already established that he was probing J'onn's thoughts and I thought it was pretty clear that he allowed himself to be absorbed or something into J'onn's body at the end of this episode, but maybe I was just reading too much into his final line.
Nothing about it screamed "this character is dying" to me.
 
Cryer was good as Lex. I loved that they went with his hate being based on ego and insecurity like the version in All-Star Superman, which is still my favorite depiction of Superman. The show actually seems to take more than a few elements from it.
 
Guess that's been going on for a while now because Supergirl has been stronger than Superman since she was reintroduced to continuity about fifteen years ago.
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Cryer was good as Lex. I loved that they went with his hate being based on ego and insecurity like the version in All-Star Superman, which is still my favorite depiction of Superman. The show actually seems to take more than a few elements from it.

The A*S version (only clean way to abbreviate that) is Morrison's homage to decades of Silver and Bronze Age continuity, so his characterization of Lex is similarly a distillation of the classic portrayals of the character. The idea that Lex is driven by his resentment toward Superman, his irrational jealousy and need to prove that he's better, goes back to 1960 when Luthor was retconned into a childhood friend of Superboy's (and given his first name Lex for the first time) who blamed Superboy for the accident that destroyed his greatest invention and cost him his hair. The idea subsequently developed that Lex would've been a more heroic figure if his jealousy of Superman hadn't driven him to crime (although Morrison's version directly calls back to an earlier portrayal of Luthor as a man whose personal heroes include Atilla the Hun, Genghis Khan, Al Capone, and Hitler). This evolved into the post-Crisis version where Lex was already an egomaniacal criminal mastermind who despised Superman because he challenged Luthor's image of himself as the most powerful man on Earth.

So I'd say that both the All-Star version and the version here are similar distillations of the best elements of Luthor's portrayal over the decades. Although this version does toss in a couple of nods to Donner/Hackman Luthor, who is very far from one of the best portrayals, merely the best-known.
 
Superman does not fight to kill.

Some versions of Supergirl were not raised by humans on farms at all, and they fight to kill.
 
Superman does not fight to kill.

That is a good point. He's only been triggered toward a desire to kill a few times and actually took life, or did not try to save those he passed the ultimate judgement against, as seen in the Golden Age--
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--but overall, when he fights, he is holding back because it would be too easy to "let loose" and end just about anyone.
 
Given how little we've seen Superman on this show, there's no evidence to support that.

Can't go by this show--they have an anti-male/anti-Superman agenda. Superman's only purpose on this show is to get his butt kicked and be submissive to Kara. That's not Superman. That's weak writers who don't get Superman and can't understand that if you have to make a man weak to make a woman look strong, you are only making the woman look weak because she can't stand on her own two feet.
 
Can't go by this show--they have an anti-male/anti-Superman agenda. Superman's only purpose on this show is to get his butt kicked and be submissive to Kara. That's not Superman. That's weak writers who don't get Superman and can't understand that if you have to make a man weak to make a woman look strong, you are only making the woman look weak because she can't stand on her own two feet.
Wow. I'm not sure I've seen so much "wrong" condensed into such a short collection of sentences. Kudos for the accomplishment.
 
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