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Supergirl - Season Four

I watched Sunday's episode this morning, and I thought it was great.
John Cryer was awesome as Lex, I'd put him right up there with Clancy Brown and Micheal Rosebaum. The way he spent the whole episode manipulating Lena, and the reveal that he set everything up was perfect. I had expected him to have been lying about sick as a way to get out of prison, so I was surprised when he turned out to be sick, and the whole thing was to get the cure. The big Otis and Eve reveals were a big surprise for me.
Very curious what is going on with Manchester Black, because it seemed like he was purposefully manipulating J'Onn into killing him, or at least appearing too.
I liked what we got with James's sister, so I'm happy to hear she'll be sticking around.
The only thing that bothered me with this one, was Alex getting pissed at Kara for leaving the hospital. I understand why she did from her perspective, but outside of the show, this is exactly the kind of stuff that I get annoyed by when the hero is hiding their identity.
 
Can't go by this show--they have an anti-male/anti-Superman agenda. Superman's only purpose on this show is to get his butt kicked and be submissive to Kara.

Granted, I don't know much about this anti-male/anti Superman agenda that supposedly runs thru this show, but if "Supergirl" was really all about that then why did Kara run to her big strong "older" cousin to have him rewrite reality in the Elseworlds crossover finale this winter when she couldn't do it?

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And before someone suggests TPTB explained it by claiming she was "weak from the pipeline" then why could she still fight evil Superman and fly orbits around the Earth to slow time?

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In fact, didn't Superman accompany Kara back to Earth 38 to fight Amazo? And didn't he accompany Barry & Oliver back to E-38 once more to find/save Supergirl? Doesn't sound very anti-male or anti Superman to me. :vulcan:

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In fact, it sounds like a job... for Superman. :beer:

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Christopher said:
Okay, then what are they talking about? Where did they get the bizarre idea that Imra was said to be Indian?
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Mostly here's a summary

http://www.withanaccent.com/2018/06/08/white-feminism-is-killing-the-arrowverse/

As if that wasn’t enough, Supergirl committed another case of counterfeit diversity when they cast Amy Jackson, a white British woman known for playing Indians with the help of really good foundation, as Imra Ardeen instead of an actual Southeast Asian.
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I'm reminded of a moment in the post-war German movie "The Devil's General", set during the Third Reich, when a young officer tells the main character, General Harras, that he found out that his grandmother wasn't German, and therefore his fiancee broke their engagement, and he wouldn't be able to get a great career. He adds that this kind of thing (having foreigners in one's ancestry) happened a lot in the Rhineland.

General Harras responds by first speculating on all the foreigners that might be in his ancestry (a Roman soldier, a Jewish merchant who converted to Christianity and founded the family's catholic tradition, and so on), and finally he points out that this same genepool of the Rhineland produced Goethe, Beethoven, Gutenberg, Grünewald, concluding that they were the best, and that being from such a place with such a genepool was natural nobility.

Okay, I'm not sure what point I was about to make, it's late and I should probably go to bed. But maybe I added ... something to the conservation.
 
The show is not anti-male, its pro-Supergirl.

"Everyone" has to be dumber or weaker to make the titular hero seem smarter or/and stronger than the secondaries and guests, otherwise the hero can't hero.

This is true of almost every (fictional) story.

The hero has to win "eventually".

UM?

After being exposed to an ancient Kryptonian rock, mixed with her blood sample by Lena Luthor, Reign seperated from Sam and became her own person while still connected to Sam's life force. As Reign grew stronger, Sam became weak and sick. This led to the discovery that Reign and Sam’s level’s of strength had an inverse effect. Sam used this discovery to venture into the Dark Forest and find a fountain of strength, aided by the spirit of her late mother, Patrica Arias. After drinking from the well, Sam grew strong, possessing Kryptonian powers while remaining her own person. With her new powers, she aided in the defeat of Reign. With Reign‘s destruction, Sam was happy to find out she no longer possessed Kryptonian DNA and was now fully human.
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Star Trek s01e05. The enemy within.

Superman 3.

The Magicians I am watching right now.

The personality and powers used to create kasnian Supergirl, were subtracted from what looks like regular Supergirl, even though what looks like regular Supergirl is also a duplicate constructed from less than a hundred percent of Supergirls personalty and super powers.

Kara, this season is dumber, weaker and less emotionally complex, because Komrade Kara is siphoning/sharing power with her doppelganger.

To be whole again, Kara has to "eat" her evil self.
 
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Kirk Prime said:
Can't go by this show--they have an anti-male/anti-Superman agenda. Superman's only purpose on this show is to get his butt kicked and be submissive to Kara. That's not Superman. That's weak writers who don't get Superman and can't understand that if you have to make a man weak to make a woman look strong, you are only making the woman look weak because she can't stand on her own two feet.
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Just because you keep repeating this, doesn't make it any less false. If you truly believe this, I would suggest that this seems to be a projection of your own worldview onto the television show. It is similar to a Rorschach Test.
 
Charles Phipps said:
Mostly here's a summary

http://www.withanaccent.com/2018/06/08/white-feminism-is-killing-the-arrowverse/
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That still sounds like they thought Imra was meant to be Indian in the first place, which she wasn't. She's a character dating from a time when the supposedly interspecies Legion was blindingly white, and where they eventually came up with a very offensive retcon for why there were apparently no black people in the future (they'd all gone off to live in a separatist nation on some island, and apparently all the world's races other than white and black didn't exist at all).
 
Guy Gardener said:
To be whole again, Kara has to "eat" her evil self.
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Although the showrunners do not have the stones to do the following, it would be a good shake up of the expected for SG to face a threat (Comrade Kara) where reasoning, jail or a villain self destructing were not options, so SG had to do what she claimed she would not. Obviously, she would not take any pleasure in that, but it would add a new dimension/moral struggle to a character who is largely stuck in one zone.
 
JD said:
I watched Sunday's episode this morning, and I thought it was great.
John Cryer was awesome as Lex, I'd put him right up there with Clancy Brown and Micheal Rosebaum. The way he spent the whole episode manipulating Lena, and the reveal that he set everything up was perfect. I had expected him to have been lying about sick as a way to get out of prison, so I was surprised when he turned out to be sick, and the whole thing was to get the cure. The big Otis and Eve reveals were a big surprise for me.
Very curious what is going on with Manchester Black, because it seemed like he was purposefully manipulating J'Onn into killing him, or at least appearing too.
I liked what we got with James's sister, so I'm happy to hear she'll be sticking around.
The only thing that bothered me with this one, was Alex getting pissed at Kara for leaving the hospital. I understand why she did from her perspective, but outside of the show, this is exactly the kind of stuff that I get annoyed by when the hero is hiding their identity.
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My favorite aspect of ten set up was that he had Jimmy Olsen shot so Lena would have incentive/be forced to test the serum before he decided to take a chance using it on himself (Hey 1% is still 1% so it wasn't 'risk free' in any case, but hey he was dying ;)). If only the DCEU Lex had been as 'in character' as Cryer's version was. Creyr's acting/portrayal of Lex was very good as well. (IMO).
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Although the showrunners do not have the stones to do the following, it would be a good shake up of the expected for SG to face a threat (Comrade Kara) where reasoning, jail or a villain self destructing were not options, so SG had to do what she claimed she would not. Obviously, she would not take any pleasure in that, but it would add a new dimension/moral struggle to a character who is largely stuck in one zone.
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Alternatively, she appeals to the good inside...herself...and Season 5 has Melissa playing herself and "Karen Starr" as she learns to be Power Girl!

:)
 
Kirk Prime said:
Can't go by this show--they have an anti-male/anti-Superman agenda. Superman's only purpose on this show is to get his butt kicked and be submissive to Kara. That's not Superman. That's weak writers who don't get Superman and can't understand that if you have to make a man weak to make a woman look strong, you are only making the woman look weak because she can't stand on her own two feet.
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Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.
 
JanewayRulz! said:
Granted, I don't know much about this anti-male/anti Superman agenda that supposedly runs thru this show, but if "Supergirl" was really all about that then why did Kara run to her big strong "older" cousin to have him rewrite reality in the Elseworlds crossover finale this winter when she couldn't do it?
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In that entire episode, Superman got his butt handed to him by anyone and everyone, including his doppleganger, where he had to be bailed out by Supergirl. His entire existence in this series has been to bend the knee and talk about how superior Kara is. There is no better line than "The world does not need a Superman when it has a Supergirl."

So while Kara was doing what the ineffective Superman was unable to do, Superman read a book. That does not negate the whole idea of Superman abandoning Earth and not shutting up about how much stronger Kara is than he.
 
"...Superman read a book."


That's your take on him using his mind to command the book to rewrite this entire Elseworlds reality?


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Really?
:guffaw:
 
Superman isn't a badass, he's a good person with amazing powers. Supergirl may be stronger and yet his ego isn't bruised like some insecure loser, he's proud to see her grow from a child to someone capable of that. She's his cousin, but he probably sees her as something closer to a little sister. Superman just wants to keep as many people safe as possible, having his only surviving relative be able to do that better than him probably fills him with joy. His powers isn't the reason people like him, it's his humanity and he's defined by his relationship with humans. He's willing to die and has died to protect innocent people. He could be a god, but would rather be a man and a simple one at that. Deep down he's still a farmboy from Smallville and his greatest joy in life is being with his family and friends. That's why villains use them against him.
 
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