I think in the last scene we see her in before the airlocking, she's holding her remaining device close to her mouth.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x09 - "Project Daedalus"
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Anybody else thinking that we could have a new Airiam every season? It could be a "thing."
Kinda like the KFC commercials and Col. Sanders.
Or the Vacation Griswold kids.
Or Ziyal.
Or Alexander.
Or Saalerik.Or Ziyal.
Or Alexander.
Thanks. It must have come off when she hit the wall because it was still on when she became airborne.But not when she was struggling on the floor. Both are gone. The one she is trying to reach is the one Airiam didn't rip off. Certainly the other wouldn't be anywhere near her, it would be where Airiam and Burnham were.
They should definitely attach these things better though.
In real life, people usually don't black out for long unless it's life-threatening. If you faint from lack of air, you fall, blood rushes to your head, you wake up...
...or so House, M.D. told me.
I've fainted twice due to low blood pressure. It lasted less than thirty seconds each time.
But passing out in an atmosphere unbreathable to you is something quite different.
We do in a couple of hundred years in First Contact
She's mad and pissed.
I'm joking
Maybe Barzan physiology has one of those magical redundancies that both the Vulcans and the Klingons seem to have that saved the day at the very last minute.
... or she just managed to sum up the will power to keep going until she found part of her breathing apparatus.
She certainly does not appear to be any kind of slouch in her determination skills.
One could imagine that any Barzan that plans on taking part in 'off-homeworld' activities, would most likely go through extensive training to be able to survive for an extended period if their mainstay of life becomes non-operational.
Especially as a Star Fleet Officer.
(much like Navy SEALS are trained to be able to hold their breath under water far longer than the average Navy sailor, and still be able to function)
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I just had a thought: how in the fresh hell could a logic extremist be allowed to serve in Starfleet? We've known ever since "Lethe" that the extremists are a terrorist group bent on eradicating all non-Vulcan influence from Vulcan, and who in fact regard humans (and all other species) as inferior to Vulcans. They even believe that the Federation is a "failed experiment".
So how does this explain Admiral Patar? Sure, all we actually see of her is a simulation by Control, but Cornwell said that she knew Patar personally and knew she was a fanatic (implying that they met well before Patar's death). So why would Patar and her ilk even be allowed to join Starfleet?
And even if they were...why would they WANT to?
So how does this explain Admiral Patar? Sure, all we actually see of her is a simulation by Control, but Cornwell said that she knew Patar personally and knew she was a fanatic (implying that they met well before Patar's death). So why would Patar and her ilk even be allowed to join Starfleet?
And even if they were...why would they WANT to?
Maybe she's not that extreme. She's not in the terrorist faction, but in the political one.
Perhaps, but it still seems more likely that Control has been feeding Cornwell false info for quite some time.
And is probably the one that put the Extremist notion in her head.
Cornwell has probably been a thorn in Controls side for quite some time and this became an good opportunity to eliminate her as well as the Discovery.
And is probably the one that put the Extremist notion in her head.
Cornwell has probably been a thorn in Controls side for quite some time and this became an good opportunity to eliminate her as well as the Discovery.
That still doesn't explain why Patar would even want to join Starfleet.
Even if she would never personally take part in any actual terrorist activities, the fact remains that she is a member of an organization which believes that the Federation should not exist (or, at the very least, doesn't want Vulcan to be a part of it). So, given all of these things, what is Patar doing in Starfleet?
I got the impression that Cornwell and Patar had known each other for some time. Remember, as of this episode, Patar has only been dead for a couple of weeks. I suspect that they had known each other for longer than that.
Or the Vacation Griswold kids.
"This bridge crew is maturing so quickly I can barely recognize you anymore!"
I think of Quebec, a hotbed of people interested in separating from Canada from the 60s and on for about 50 years or so.
As with Quebec in Canada, there have been extremists of various stripes working for the independence of Quebec and the protection of their culture from outside influences. And this has ranged from people the sending of letter bombs in the 60s to a party in the Federal government by the 90s as well as ensuring there are plenty of Quebecois representation in the Department of National Defense and well funded military bases in Quebec to ensure when they separate, they will have a military to protect themselves.
Logical to suggest that Vulcan has the same variety of people working towards Vulcan separation as well.
Jayne Brook has been lurking on my Instagram page and liked a picture of Admiral Cornwell that I shared. #AchievementUnlocked
Okay, let's run with that.
Given the existence of the Quebec separatist movement, would it not surprise you if a person FROM Quebec - and who openly identified themselves as part of such a splinter group - were to join the Canadian military?
Because, as I said...why would they want to?
Starfleet could be remarkably tolerant of a member's personal political ideology as long as they don't vocally espouse and promote violent behavior and responses to internal political issues on Federation member worlds. She could have given her fellow flag officers the creeps with her logic extremism philosophy but it technically didn't break any laws or regulations.
Some are more extreme than others. I figure that Cornwell suspected (probably incorrectly) that Patar was a Logic Extremist, and that Extremism is what was leading "her" to do crazy things like frame Spock and order Section 31 on extralegal missions.
Patar may have been more heavy-handed in her promotion of Logic and Surak's teachings than most other Vulcans (at least in the Vulcan admiralty), and a pure utilitarian outlook would serve someone well in a covert bureaucracy like Section 31, so Cornwell may have seen her as a potential hidden ally of the Extremist movement.
Patar may have been more heavy-handed in her promotion of Logic and Surak's teachings than most other Vulcans (at least in the Vulcan admiralty), and a pure utilitarian outlook would serve someone well in a covert bureaucracy like Section 31, so Cornwell may have seen her as a potential hidden ally of the Extremist movement.
Why did Kim Philby join SIS?
Malcolm Reed joined Starfleet after being recruited by Section 31 or at the least joined up while in uniform. It won't be the first time an officer with questionable beliefs and behavioral patterns wore a Starfleet uniform and kept their role in Section 31 a carefully-guarded secret.
