Poll Is Michael Burnham a "Mary Sue"?

No he didn't.

 

Would "held her in high esteem" be better? She's a badly conceived character. It would have been the same thing if she'd been male. That's the point. She's a fanfiction trope, which makes me think of her as a Mary Sue vs. just another hyper-competent character. I realize many fans feel differently, and that's okay.

 

Wow

I must have been living under a big rock I guess

 

Sometimes I go into threads and within 3-4 minutes, I realize how stupid I was.

 

While I don't think Burnham is a Mary Sue, just saying that the term refers to fanfic characters, not canon ones, doesn't end the argument. After all, fanwank started out as a fanfic concept (it's right in the name) but is now pejoratively (and in some cases lovingly) used for canon works (particularly some of Manny Coto's decisions in the last season of Enterprise).

 

Hey....nothing wrong with a little fanwank...in moderation

 

I get that, but Burnham is basically a fanfic character transplanted into canon. Which makes her special and therefore in need of special terminology...and yes, I do appreciate the irony in that statement.

 

Maybe we should invent a new term for a fankwanky character with a rod up his or her arse? A Michael burnham? Its gender neutral so would work on both sexes!

 

No she isn't.

 

A Picard? Seriously, when it comes to a rod up his/her arse, she's not even in his league.

 

Picard did it first, so that's my vote.

 

Yes she is.

 

Yeah but old pickles was a captain so he has a excuse to have a rod up his arse.

 

The majority would disagree with you.

 

Actually, according to canon, it was long before he was captain when he pulled that rod out of his chest and proceeded to stick it up his ass.

Also, what was Worf's excuse then?

 

So? Since when did that

Come on, really?

 

How many ways are there to say NO in the world?

If I knew the number, that plus ∞, would be how many NO's this silly thread needs.

 

People, unless they're antagonists, love Mary Sues no matter how they behave. I seem to remember several people holding grudges against Burnham at one point or another when she did something stupid and/or selfish. Just saying.

 

At least it's all contained in one thread we'll be able to point to in the future.