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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x09 - "Project Daedalus"

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I also said in the post you quoted that it had nothing to do with having everything "spelled out", so I'm not sure why you're reiterating that again. I just think they forgot that it was an option, as has happened numerous times before, like at the end of Nemesis when they forgot about the existence of transporters in all the shuttles (which they don't have in this era). That's not over-reliance on technobabble to know that, it was just a mistake in the writing.
Absolutely, as you say this kind of nitpick is nothing new - we've seen plenty of times in Trek that one episode's miraculous solution-of-the-week is conveniently forgotten the next time. It goes all the way back to the missing shuttles in The Enemy Within.

I think as fans we just have to take it as read that if something isn't attempted, it's because they can't do it for some reason, and that's fine. We just have to suspend our disbelief.
 
First of all, how nice for them to name an episode after me! ;)

Loved this one. Really good storyline, loved teh backround about Ariam being some kind of "bionic-man" type character... and the super villian AI tryign to learn more.

perhap's Spock's mind meld with V'Ger and teh machine planet all links into this? I still can't help but think of the Borg, especially with the tentacles on the probe
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Nice to see Jayne Brook's character back again, and the chemistry with Pike.
 
I liked this episode better than if memory serves. The chess scene had me mixed why does michael always keep smiling at spock when he is been so mean to her?

spock is so all angst in this series. peck was right to call his spock darker and dangerous, wonder where it will lead him as the series progresses .

Atrium death was middle road for me. it was emotional but not enough.

Wonder when next sarek and amanda will show up?

Also is spock now a relationship counsellor?:shrug:
 
Cue the Mary Sue complainers.
Well one of the main traits of mary sues is that they are very important even when it makes no sense. clearly Michael has this trait seeing how spock called her a self important person.

he was right, it was always about spock as a half breed that riled up the vulcan extremists. Michael staying in sarek's house made no difference , yet she just made things worse for spock.
 
Sorry, I’ve not read all 31 pages.

Why didn’t they just beam them out? What did I miss? Couldn’t Ariam just have been beamed to the brig/ behind a force field?
 
I suspect they wanted someone to die. It is emotional and humans dig that. It undercuts the "nothing permanently-bad ever happens in Star Trek" idea.

One line could have made not-beaming her less of a plothole. Bridge person: "She's jamming our lock on her" or some such. It would have shown the DSC attempting to care for their comrade and unable to.

Yeah, this was essentially guest-of-the-week dying, but it was still done well.

Is anyone else noticing more reaction shots from the bridge crew? Esp. re. Pike saying something funny or noble or whatever? They're telegraphing a little too much to us to love him. He's already great. This is a small nitpick, but I always feel like the writer/director is trying to mess with my reaction by showing others'. "Feel like they do."

I am a convert to having Spock in DSC. Y'know what? It WASN'T a strong enough show/concept without being an actual TOS-prequel, and Peck is terrific and really sounds to me like a young Spock.

Were the new writers having him speak for THEM, as a criticism of Burnham's original concept: SOOO self-important, "I'm THE ONE who has to fix/solve this." We saw this flaw again at the end of ep where, left to Burnham, things woulda got REALLY bad for the galaxy!
 
Were the new writers having him speak for THEM, as a criticism of Burnham's original concept: SOOO self-important, "I'm THE ONE who has to fix/solve this." We saw this flaw again at the end of ep where, left to Burnham, things woulda got REALLY bad for the galaxy!
Georgiou said much the same thing last season in the finale. Burnham starts shit like a boss but then she second guesses herself. It's a flaw they have written her with all along.

'You instigate valiantly, then second-guess...You know your problem? No follow-through.'
 
Like others here I wish there’d been more development of the friendship between Airiam Detmer Tilly Owosekun etc before this episode.

When she got sucked into space and they showed the reactions of the bridge crew I actually thought Bryce was going to fall to his knees, which made me think how powerful it would have been if they’d setup earlier that Bryce had a crush on Airiam but hadn’t told her, then she’s gone and it’s too late, meanwhile she’s thinking about her love for her husband but Bryce is thinking about his love for her

Ensemble acting needs a little more complexity and thinking ahead. Just a few minutes each week to build the relationships for audience engagement and emotional payoff
 
Well one of the main traits of mary sues is that they are very important even when it makes no sense. clearly Michael has this trait seeing how spock called her a self important person.

he was right, it was always about spock as a half breed that riled up the vulcan extremists. Michael staying in sarek's house made no difference , yet she just made things worse for spock.
But you can't list one trait and call it a day. She has character flaws (such as the self-importance Spock accuses her of). She makes mistakes. People don't become out of character around her. She doesn't save the universe any more than others already have. Case closed.

Also, genuine question: why are some people calling Airiam Atrium? Is that an in-joke I'm not getting?
 
It seems that individual Barzans are free to choose to become Federation citizens by their own initiative, regardless of Barzan-UFP relations.
 
The other thing that annoys me about Airiam being gone is I really wanted her to develop as a Discovery character

I don’t mind having Pike and Spock on this series but I’m really keen for Discovery to develop its own story lines and characters. Saru and Stamets and Tilly and Detmer and Owosekun are all getting there. But we needed Airiam as the human/android character, different to Spock and Data

I hope they find a way to bring her back. Undermines what just happened of course, but I’m ok with that :)
 
The Shenzhou brig wasn't able to hold Burnham. She beat the brig systems with logical arguments based on emergency-scenario ethics.

Airiam had cybernetic and wi-fi advantages unavailable to Burnham. No matter where on the ship they tried to lock her up, the hostile 28th-Century AI that had hijacked her body would have found its own workarounds.
 
I hope Burnham isn’t the Red Angel. Too obvious for the main character

Although it would explain why the Red Angel chose Spock. Stamets’ point about something unique about Spock is key, and designed to help Spock and us realise what it is: he’s the only person who is related to Burnham

I’m hoping the Red Angel is Airiam, so she can be a time traveler and come back into the show
 
Yeah, they're not members. She probably got someone to sponsor her entry to Starfleet Academy like Nog did.
I believe they are not even space faring, at least not Warp capable.
Hence them auctioning off their wormhole, cause they couldn‘t make use of it.
Makes one think about how they still became members of the galactic community.

It seems that individual Barzans are free to choose to become Federation citizens by their own initiative, regardless of Barzan-UFP relations.
Makes sense that some Barzan‘s would be drawn toward the cool Sci-fi space culture to live out their nerdy dreams.
We would, too.
 
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