Captain Marvel (2019)

[Teelie]

The MRA's are review bombing it hard with a current 34% from "audience" reviews. It's clearly a dedicated troll with over 58,000 reviews already negging it.

 

[Professor Zoom]

The MRA's are review bombing it hard with a current 34% from "audience" reviews. It's clearly a dedicated troll with over 58,000 reviews already negging it.

Jeez. And these MRA's wonder why they are fucking alone. They spend all their time obsessed with 1 fucking movie that they don't HAVE to see. 1 fucking movie and these assholes lose their minds.

 

[Mage]

What are MRA's??

 

[Teelie]

Men's Rights Activists although they are more anti-feminist than they are anything else. Misogynists under another name basically.

 

[Mage]

Men's Rights Activists although they are more anti-feminist than they are anything else. Misogynists under another name basically.

Ah, like so.
Well, I've learned not to get into politics and social problems online. It always ends ugly. I will say, sometimes when I'm bored I check out 9gag (it hasnt been funny in years anymore)'and the amount of butthurts boys over there is just silly.

 

[Hound of UIster]

The MRA's are review bombing it hard with a current 34% from "audience" reviews. It's clearly a dedicated troll with over 58,000 reviews already negging it.

They have also essentially discredited their tools for attacking this movie. Now nobody is going to believe things like audiences review scores when the incels have shown how easily it's manipulated.

 

[JD]

Captain Marvel had the fifth biggest preview night of all of the MCU movies, with $20.4 Million.

 

[ichab]

The MRA's are review bombing it hard with a current 34% from "audience" reviews. It's clearly a dedicated troll with over 58,000 reviews already negging it.

Then you haven't been reading the actual reviews. It's being criticized by both men and women. Here's one of them from a female reviewer..

Superficial superhero
Captain Marvel can do almost anything except keep an audience interested
by Megan Basham

There’s a moment in Captain Marvel where the girl-power pandering is so over the top it makes the rest of the movie pointless.

Carol Danvers, aka “Vers,” finally discovers the full range of her superpowers and, to the never-so-subtle strains of Gwen Stefani’s “Just a Girl,” proceeds to pummel a battalion of alien bad guys single-handedly. Her abilities prove so dominant that she can seemingly do anything, be it fly to farthest reaches of space without protective gear or destroy intergalactic warheads with a single blow. Thus does the cause of female empowerment lay waste to old-fashioned storytelling notions like tension and surprise, otherwise known as ... reasons for the audience to stay interested in what’s happening on the screen.

You almost wonder why Nick Fury bothered assembling all those other Avengers over the years. Why not just keep paging the one-woman wrecking crew?

Clumsily draped around this one-note moralizing is a backstory that’s equally sanctimonious and dull. Played by a wooden Brie Larson, our heroine starts out as a strong, valiant Kree warrior who keeps having flashbacks to another life on another planet. When the Kree’s ancient enemies, the Skrulls, take Vers captive and start digging around in her memories, Vers begins to realize she once had a different identity. It turns out, before becoming a tough-as-nails fighter pilot in outer space, she was a tough-as-nails fighter pilot on Earth. Thankfully, the experience teaches her the importance of being a woman who’s tough as nails.

Beyond Carol Danvers’ lack of even elementary-level depth or growth, Captain Marvel (rated PG-13 for sequences of sci-fi violence and action, and brief suggestive language) fails on basic plotting as well. Anyone who saw Guardians of the Galaxy is going to see the major twist coming in the first few scenes. There is a bit of fun to be had once we enter Earth’s atmosphere, but this is in spite of the movie’s titular character, not because of her. We get a thrill seeing the early days of S.H.I.E.L.D., we get some laughs from seeing how Nick Fury lost that eye, and a Blockbuster Video cameo coupled with a few 1990s songs provides some pleasant nostalgia. Beyond that, the story is almost solely a hectoring reminder to hear women roar. Which would be a lot easier to do if not for the fact that every character in the film is able to upstage Carol on the personality meter, including the cat.

To be blunt, it’s insulting that Marvel felt simply making its first leading woman “one tough chick” would be enough to placate female fans. All the male Avengers' origin stories feature character flaws, physical weaknesses, and romantic interests who complicate their missions. Captain Marvel has none of these things. It’s impossible not to compare her to DC’s leading lady, Wonder Woman, who proved so winsome, warm, and witty she alone breathed life into the flailing Justice League franchise.

Diana Prince’s Amazonian strength and agility, combined with her traditionally idealized feminine traits like innocence and beauty, create a nicely complex mix. Her chaste romance with self-sacrificing soldier Steve Trevor only compliments her loveliness. Over the course of the story, Steve helps her learn some hard lessons about her own naiveté that ultimately make both of their heroics more meaningful.

Captain Marvel, in contrast, has nothing to learn beyond discovering that even those supposed flaws some man-mentor kept yammering at her to restrain are really strengths. Every challenge she faces is because someone with an XY chromosome is trying to box her in. She overcomes them by throwing off her male-forged shackles.

So Wonder Woman willingly leaves the Eden-like perfection of Themyscira to grapple with humanity’s capacity for evil and weigh whether their fallenness still makes them worthy of her sacrifices. Captain Marvel returns to Earth on a journey of self-actualization to struggle with the idea that she’s even more awesome than she thinks she is. Which one sounds like a real role model for girls?

Sounds like a pretty well rounded review to me.


For the record, I don't let reviews influence my movie watching. But to simply wave your hand and dismiss them as "women haters" is disengenous.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Then you haven't been reading the actual reviews. It's being criticized by both men and women. Here's one of them from a female reviewer..



Sounds like a pretty well rounded review to me.


For the record, I don't let reviews influence my movie watching. But to simply wave your hand and dismiss them as "women haters" is disengenous.

The existence of some genuine negative reviews does not disprove the existence of the review-bombing phenomenon. It's amazing that things so obvious need to be said, but apparently they do.

 

[ichab]

The existence of some genuine negative reviews does not disprove the existence of the review-bombing phenomenon.

Whose dismissing the phenomenon? I'm simply pointing out that the majority of negative reviews aren't from people with some anti women agenda as was suggested. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Whose dismissing the phenomenon?

So, you're saying that you agree that there is review-bombing of Captain Marvel going on? OK, good to know.

edit - Oh, I see you edited in some additional remarks:

I'm simply pointing out that the majority of negative reviews aren't from people with some anti women agenda as was suggested.

And based on the examination of one review that's not even in the set of reviews we were talking about, how in the world do you know that?

For the record, we're talking about reviews posted here:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_marvel/reviews/?type=user

Sorry to burst your bubble.

You didn't even scratch the surface.

 

[Guy Gardener]

To a crazy person, Captain Marvel stole Iron Man IV from them, and the next social justice movie lime lighting a girl is going to steal Captain America IV from them.

I doubt the Crazy we are dealing with is as on message as that, but it's somewhere between all vagina movies must die, and bring me all the dicks.

Did Carol do anything to the Rambeau house, like take a dump, ejecting tesseract energy into the pipes, which eventually powered up Monica years later when she is replacing the ubend?

 

[ichab]

So, you're saying that you agree that there is review-bombing of Captain Marvel going on? OK, good to know.

edit - Oh, I see you edited in some additional remarks:


And based on the examination of one review that's not even in the set of reviews we were talking about, how in the world do you know that?

That review DID come from RottenTomatoes braniac.

For the record, we're talking about reviews posted here:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_marvel/reviews/?type=user

That reviewer came from RottenTomatoes . If you actually take the time to click on the links of each review it takes you to that person's full write-up on their site. I'm not going to post every negative reviewer that made up that 34% score, but the sentiment from each is similiar. If you want to ignore them all, fine.

 

[fireproof78]

That review DID come from RottenTomatoes braniac.

Not helpful, at all.

 

[Turtletrekker]

You want proof of review bombs? Rotten Tomatoes to remove 50,000 bogus reviews already. Infinity War only got fifty-three thousand in it's entire run. Poor, fragile broflakes...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicb...l-review-bombed-hard-rotten-tomatoes-opening/

 

[CorporalCaptain]

That review DID come from RottenTomatoes braniac.



So was I Captain Obvious . That reviewer came from RottenTomatoes . If you actually take the time to click on the links of each review it takes you to that person's full write-up on their site. I'm not going to post every negative reviewer that made up that 34% score, but the sentiment from each is similiar. If you want to ignore them all, fine.

I think you're confused about how this works.

Megan Basham's review on Rotten Tomatoes is in the All Critics section
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_marvel/reviews/
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_marvel/reviews/?page=6&sort=
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/critic/megan-basham/

Megan Basham
WORLD March 6, 2019
To be blunt, it's insulting that Marvel felt simply making its first leading woman "one tough chick" would be enough to placate female fans.
Full Review | Original Score: 2/5​

We were talking about the Audience section. To repeat my link:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_marvel/reviews/?type=user

NOT. THE SAME. SET.
Different tab, altogether.

The review-bombing is occurring in the Audience section, which is sitting at 34% right now. That's where review-bombing occurs. Review-bombing is an audience review phenomenon.

Is that brainy enough for you?

 

[ichab]

I think you're confused about how this works.

Megan Basham's review on Rotten Tomatoes is in the All Critics section
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_marvel/reviews/
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_marvel/reviews/?page=6&sort=
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/critic/megan-basham/

Megan Basham
WORLD March 6, 2019
To be blunt, it's insulting that Marvel felt simply making its first leading woman "one tough chick" would be enough to placate female fans.
Full Review | Original Score: 2/5​

We were talking about the Audience section. To repeat my link:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_marvel/reviews/?type=user

NOT. THE SAME. SET.
Different tab, altogether.

The review-bombing is occurring in the Audience section, which is sitting at 34% right now. That's where review-bombing occurs. Review-bombing is an audience review phenomenon.

Is that brainy enough for you?

Fair enough. I read the first nine pages and the reviews are all over the place. Clearly both sides have an agenda with the quick reviews such as "Movie sucks" as well as "Excellent!". General consensus seems to be another okay Marvel movie but nothing spectacular.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Kevin Feige on why Fury never summoned Carol before:

https://www.slashfilm.com/why-nick-fury-didnt-page-captain-marvel/

 

[Guy Gardener]

Carol has shown up at the ending credits of every Marvel movie so far, sees that there's no day left to save, shrugs, and turns back to space.

I read somewhere that the Asgardians misplaced the tesseract on Earth in the 10th century, which is probably something out front that I just forgot about... Was Lawson a Nazi scientist?

Was Lawson Hydra post WW2?

Obviously as an advanced Alien, Mar-Vell was humouring Hydra, but she was still on their payroll, and would have had to have obeyed orders now and then.

For a little while, the first half of the movie, I was imagining Hydra and the Skrulls having a secret war in the 80s wrestling for control of the underneath of America.

But no, that's not what the Skrulls eneded up being about.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Do you know what mixed means?

83% is by definition mixed.
If that was all glowing perfect scores it would be 100%.

One review at 90%, a very good score, and one review at 75%, a little less good, will give you an a average score of 83%, a still good score.

Just to be clear, that's not how Rotten Tomatoes works. 83% means 83% of critics thought the movie was worth at least 3 out of 5 stars. In other words, the movie was at least good. They used to show the average score as well, but I can't find that. If you want that number, Metacritic would be the best place to go. Right now, it's at 65, which is comparable to the first Ant-Man at 64. The only site that provides a statistically meaningful audience score is Cinemascore, but that's not done yet.

Anyway, there's entirely too much meta discussion. How about, instead of discussing what other people think of the movie, we discuss the movie? I thought it was a lot of fun. It's not the best movie, but that comparison to Ant-Man is comparable. There were a lot of really good moments throughout. It had great spectacle, good humor, lots of wonderful inside references. It changed things from the comics but, every time it did, there was a clear comic book inspiration and I thought it was for the better. I'll give it some time before I give spoilers. I will say, I knew some, was aware but not confident about others, and didn't know all of them. I thought it handled all of them well.